Spaciousness and Delicacies

Have you ever chuckled at the thought of us snagging a Grammy with our signature podcast sing-alongs? This week, we might just convince you of our chances! We're tickling the ivories of humor as we embark on an exploratory romp through the quirks that make us oh-so-human. We'll talk about our secret Grammy dreams, then pivot to a reflective dialogue on the Japanese philosophy of 'utory,' discussing ways to foster peaceful spaces in the frantic schedule of life. With raw honesty, we share our own skirmishes with anxiety and the elusive quest for serenity amidst chaos.

Imagine your emotions as a canvas, with each stroke of music or poetry adding vibrancy and depth. This episode, we dive into the healing power of art forms, reminiscing about how songs like those from Billie Eilish and the timeless Celine Dion can mend an overstimulated soul. We'll share stories of how these melodies stitch together reminiscences and aspirations, all while celebrating the 195th episode of our podcast, which has become our own documentary of life's whimsicalities. Grab your headphones, and let's unravel the tapestry of emotions together.

Join us for a quirky narrative about a hotel room debacle that will have you rethinking your expectations of customer service and personal space. The chuckles continue as we venture into the realm of beverage experimentation with an espresso tonic, revealing our intrigue for this peculiar concoction. Along the way, we muse over expanding our culinary landscapes, discussing the rich history of quinine and its surprising influence on our taste buds. So, pour yourself an espresso, or perhaps a tonic, and settle in for a whirlwind of laughter, enlightenment, and the sheer joy of being delightfully human.

Transcript

Speaker 1 0:04

Welcome to the Cat and Moose Podcast. I'm Kat and I'm Moose.

Speaker 2 0:09

This is a True Life Podcast where we explore the quirks of being human. I got a cat scratching at my door. I got a cat scratching.

Speaker 1 0:25

And I'm the cat scratching at your door and I am a naughty whore.

Speaker 3 0:35

Oh nice.

Speaker 2 0:37

That's good, Guys. Real life reflects itself in art.

Speaker 1 0:43

It does, and I think at some point in our careers there's going to be a Grammy Award for the most awesome podcast in the world and I think we're going to win it. Oh.

Speaker 2 0:54

I love that. Now, how will we fall underneath the Grammy Awards, because we sing a lot on the podcast.

Speaker 1 1:01

Yes, yes, because of our musical, it's called the Recording Academy.

Speaker 2 1:08

Yeah, you're right, and we are definitely recording.

Speaker 3 1:11

I know I'm recording.

Speaker 1 1:13

I'm glad you are, Sarah. You're the most important one to be recording because you're the producer, oh shit.

Speaker 3 1:18

Well, that's not true.

Speaker 2 1:19

I need all three of us. This podcast would not happen without her, though. We have our names on the podcast and she's the one that makes it happen?

Speaker 1 1:28

Not entirely, yeah, and a three fold cord is not easily broken.

Speaker 2 1:33

Oh, that's a Bible verse. That's the one I was looking at Thomas 1624.

Speaker 1 1:40

Are you talking about the agnostic gospels?

Speaker 2 1:43

I don't know, is there a Thomas in that? Probably.

Speaker 1 1:45

I totally used the wrong terminology.

Speaker 2 1:48

Oh, I wouldn't even know. I was ready to believe you.

Speaker 3 1:51

So, speaking of Bible verses, I was trying to look up a passage and Moose thought I was looking at Bible verses, which I was not, but there I came across this, this post, on Instagram, and I wanted to find its source. And it turns out the source of this post came from an interview with Krista Tippett on her show on being the best podcast that ever lived besides ours. Yes, and she was interviewing a person named Shiha Nai. I'm not sure who this person is. I'm sorry I haven't done more research, but the thing that was very cool that came to me was this Shiha person wrote well, here in Japan we have a concept called utory, and it is spaciousness. It's a kind of living with spaciousness.

Speaker 3 2:38

For example, it's leaving early enough to get somewhere so that you know you're going to arrive early. So when you get there you have time to look around. Oh my gosh, I know and here we are, the ones that are like get there when it's. I mean you, moose, I know it will. Both you guys we love to get places on time, for sure, but also early, not on time. Well, but you don't necessarily want to be there. You know what I mean? It's like I'm going to get there? Maybe you do, depending on the event, but what if we shifted our perspective on this and arrive somewhere early enough to have time to look around before your thing starts and you feel like you belong in that space? We were talking about this yesterday.

Speaker 1 3:19

Yeah, that's that feels foreign, like a foreign concept to me, and like it feels like how can I have possibly have permanent ink tattoo on my body about being in the flow and not do things like create more space for myself like, my goodness, because you're human. That's why I am human.

Speaker 2 3:40

You're human. But you know what's interesting is I. I could make love to the word spaciousness like that. I have all affairs with words, because that word to me Can I tell about it. That word to me it how you say it describes what it is. Yeah, I agree with that Spaciousness.

Speaker 2 4:11

You know I am in constant realignment with that roomy poem about the field where there is no wrong doing and right doing, and that's what spaciousness feels like to me, like I can lay in the fields and not worry with my ego but just be. And you know, kat, when we went to that event oh, hey, kat, hey Moose, hey, sarah, hi, okay, when we were at that event we got there early because you were one of the hosts at that super cool venue, by the way, in East Nashville. But the reason I generally get places early is number one. I can sort of stake things out. I can see, you know where I will sit in the in the purview of others. That's not the right phrase, but it's usually more like me preparing my it's preparation for what could go wrong is why I get there early. Like you know, if we have to be somewhere and it's 25 minutes away, sarah thinks you can leave it like 35 after the hour at 30. And she's like 25. She'll allow like five minutes for extra and it's like oh, my God, you haven't thought about even as a six. She hasn't thought about all the things that could go wrong, including that in Nashville sometimes it takes 10 to 15 minutes to find parking. Yeah, and you got to build. You got to build it in.

Speaker 2 5:43

So I leave about an hour. No, I leave about a half hour. I know this is I'm sharing too much. I'm starting to feel vulnerable. I get places a half hour early. Look guys, do you really? I do so? You have your Tory? No, no, I've. I've got anxiety.

Speaker 3 6:01

Oh you have anxiety, okay.

Speaker 1 6:04

Well, here's what. Here's what I heard in all of that is I heard that you have you, tory, you have anxiety in the midst all of that. You make love to spaciousness. Yeah, I think you're doing something right.

Speaker 3 6:17

Yeah, you might be. At least you're hanging out with the right kind of things it was a long way around saying I want more.

Speaker 2 6:24

You, Tory, like I'm already there. So I've got that part down in the you, Tory, like I've gotten to the place early. But I want to find peace in that time that I have between and not not use it to be like, oh, let's think about more things that could go wrong here. Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 6:41

How do you think you can accomplish that?

Speaker 2 6:44

Well, you know how people do like organ transplants yeah all the time.

Exploring Emotions Through Song and Art

Speaker 1 6:51

I mean like I've had at least six this morning.

Speaker 2 6:54

Of course. So, um, I need a nervous system transplant. Oh, okay, okay, my nervous system is shot and it I don't I'm trying to figure out how to ground it again, and but I am so jumpy and I am, yeah, like it's definitely a focus of my life right now is like, how do I calm my nervous system? If anyone has ideas cat has an idea.

Speaker 1 7:23

I do. I have an idea, share an idea. I, and it's very it comes from my own personal bias, so I'm just going to start there, okay. Um, my, my understanding of one of the most amazing ways to transform not transplant, but transform the nervous system is through all kinds of modalities of body work. Oh, you know, I know it.

Speaker 3 7:49

I mean it might be true. Imagine that. I'm sure it's true. Okay, Let me read the rest of this little bit.

Speaker 2 7:55

Cause it's pretty cool, Sarah.

Speaker 3 7:57

Oh no, it's cool, I just I only wanted to read that one part and then I saw this and um. So this person then gave all these different definitions of what uteri was to her. But one of them was and after you read a poem, just knowing you can hold it, you can be in that space of the poem and it can hold you in its space and you don't have to explain it, you don't have to paraphrase it, you just hold it and it allows you to see differently.

Speaker 2 8:27

I love that. Wow, I find that to be true that any kind of art or something creative you know, like when you find a song that like is rocking your world, you know, like Billy Eilish is. What's the name of it? Sarah, what was I made for? What was I made for? Like, that is the kind of song where you just sit in silence for like a good five minutes, afterwards go in whoa, what did that do to my soul?

Speaker 1 8:59

I need to hear that song. I feel sure that I've heard it just because Billie Eilish is so popular and I listen to a lot of like playlet. Yeah, I mean that would be awesome and I'm gonna I bet you know it, and don't realize it.

Speaker 1 9:09

Okay, keep going, though, kat. Oh, I was gonna say that I was just gonna bring the Kat perspective to that and tell you about the song that's been in my head now for three weeks straight, and I can't get it out. I have listened to it, I have sung along with it really loud, I have gone as far as to consider re-watching the movie that it is the theme song from, and I just can't get this song out of my head, and it's the most codependent song, oh Lord, that probably exists in the world. I'm pretty sure it was written by Diane Warren, because she's one of the greatest songwriters of our generation, and it's Celine Dion's the Way you Love Me.

Speaker 2 9:48

Oh my God, you love that song. You were my strength when I was weak.

Speaker 1 9:53

Yeah. You were my voice when I couldn't speak. You were my eyes when I couldn't see. You saw the best there was me. It's such a good song. You give me up when I was weak. You give me strength, cause you believe I'm everything I am because you love me.

Speaker 2 10:22

Man so good. I remember when that song came out the Christians were like I think it's about Jesus.

Speaker 1 10:27

It totally is. I know it's about Robert Redford, like is anybody seeing the movie.

Speaker 2 10:34

You know that's the top five movie for me, Is it really? Oh, it is. What movie is it the top five movie for me? Because Michelle Pfeiffer, Robert Redford which growing up they were kind of a generation ahead of me, so it's odd that I fell for that. But at the time I was a teenager and I was with my boyfriend in the movie theater watching it Brent oh Brent. We were like best friends and then we had a little fling on the summer Don't worry, it wasn't dirty, Of course, but we went to the movie together and it's one of the times in my life during that movie that I thought nothing is wrong in my world right now, because that movie is about being a journalist and that's what I wanted to do in some form or fashion. I wanted to make documentaries and I mean it just had all the things that I wanted journalism, telling a story, Like I wanted. I was so impressed and it was just a great movie.

Speaker 1 11:39

I would love for us to watch that movie together, and I would also love to point out, moose, that from my perspective, your dream is coming true every week. Oh, with the podcast. Oh, it totally is.

Speaker 2 11:51

I mean it's a documentary.

Speaker 1 11:54

every week we talk about the quirks of being human and of living this crazy life that each of us are living. What does it feel like to imagine that you are in your dream?

Speaker 2 12:08

If it doesn't feel real.

Speaker 3 12:12

It is. We're almost 95 episodes in.

Speaker 1 12:16

Yeah, I know that's very impressive.

Speaker 2 12:18

Hey, sarah, give us some Billy Eilish, here it comes. I think it's going to remind you of Sia, like early days, sia. Oh yeah, I know this song. Listen to these lyrics, y'all. I used to float. Now I just fall down. I used to know, but I'm not sure now, what I was made for. What was I made for Taking a drive? I was an ideal. Looked so alive, turns out.

Speaker 1 13:08

I'm not real, just something you paid for. What was I made for Cause?

Speaker 3 13:25

I, I. I don't know how to feel, but I want to try. I don't know how to feel.

Speaker 2 13:48

But someday I'm mine, someday I'm mine. I mean are you kidding me, you guys?

Speaker 1 14:00

I mean that's just, I have got so many feels and questions. Okay, let's talk about it, let's break down a song. Goodness, gracious.

Speaker 2 14:09

So real quick before we go too far. I've talked about this on the podcast before, but Kat and I years ago, when we were just young little pups, we would have some beverages and go back and forth playing songs and just doing that. So let's have that moment. Tell us about your feels. Oh my gosh, yeah.

Speaker 1 14:28

I mean, I, first of all, I I do not know and I kind of at least in this moment, don't want to know kind of the story behind the song, Like I don't want to know where it came from or why she wrote it or who she wrote it with or any of that. What I want to point out is that I just wonder, like this is the song that she sang on the Grammys this year. This is the song that is like the theme song from the Barbie movie, which I haven't seen. It feels so good and I I grew up hating Barbie, Right, Like I hate dolls, I hate Barbie all of it.

Speaker 3 15:01

And so.

Speaker 1 15:03

so this song, for me, when I listened to it out of that context and just in hearing the sounds and the words and her voice and the production and all of that like it, makes me really sad, oh like it feels really sad to me.

Speaker 1 15:22

It's like what have I been made for? And then like I'm basically just something you paid for and like then, after watching part of the music video, it's like she's sitting there dressed like Barbie, hanging up these different clothes. It feels incredibly empty and sad and like what great art Cause? Like I feel like when something makes me feel a thing, that's great art. Even if the feeling is not a pleasant feeling, it's still great art. I'm so curious what you guys think of it.

Speaker 2 15:52

Well, I've never seen that music video, even that far in, and the one thing I noticed is the irony of her being dressed up sort of Barbie style but hanging up clothes that Billie Eilish wears, which are like really baggy. They weren't dresses that she was hanging up and so, but they were like Barbie clothes but size of Barbie, but they're more of what Billie Eilish would wear and I found that ironic as she's talking about kind of. Who am I and what do I feel?

Speaker 1 16:24

like who wrote that treatment? Like what a brilliant video treatment.

Speaker 2 16:29

I bet she, I guarantee you, she had thoughts around it. But I also want to say that I think that that song for me and you know we can debate if a song needs to have a resolution or not, which a lot of people want. We only listened to part of the song there, but for me I think that song it also creates some sadness of me, but it it puts words to this idea of like you know, I'm always using the phrase being our authentic self or true self, and that song for me is like poetry around, like wait a minute, am I in a system that I don't necessarily align with, and it just starts asking questions and I love songs that ask questions.

Speaker 3 17:20

Yeah, what were you going to say, sir? I was just going to say, well, I there's a big part of me that wants to finish watching the video, because I'm sure there's a storyline to it. However, the I looked up kind of a story behind the song. She wrote this, of course, with her brother, phineas O'Connell. She said it was as if this song was a tiny creature inside of me for years, scratching the inside of me. As soon as we got that prompt, the creature was like okay, I'm out.

Speaker 3 17:49

We wrote it in a period of time where we couldn't have been less inspired and less creative. That day we were making stuff. We were like we've lost it, why are we even doing this? And then the first chords happened and I used to flow and now I just fall down came out and the song wrote itself and there was a couple other spots, so they were in a big like writer's block. At first the writers were thinking solely of the character Barbie, and the singer was quote purely inspired by this movie and this character as the way I thought she would feel and wrote about that.

Speaker 1 18:20

So she wrote it for the movie. She was committed for the movie, yeah.

Speaker 3 18:25

And yeah, and we should watch the movie. It's great, and you'll understand so much more of this when it's. But yeah, anyway, there's lyrics. Taken a drive, I was an ideal, looked so alive, turns out I'm not real, just something you paid for. What was I made for? She sings with breathtaking vocals over soft orchestration. I'm writing for myself and I don't even know it. I wish observed calling it the trippiest experience. This is exactly how I feel and I didn't even mean to be saying it. I was absolutely writing about myself and I was thinking about myself from a third person and I was thinking about myself objectively, which also made me feel really connected to her and me. Every single lyric is exactly how I feel. It's about my life. Wow, that was Americansongwritercom.

Speaker 2 19:11

I've never heard her talking about the way she sang that and how she had never whispered like that in a song and how. I don't know if it was Phineas, but somebody said what if, like she, it was so emotional to her and she said as soon as I started singing that way, I was like this is how the whole song is gonna go, and I think that's what's so haunting about it.

Speaker 1 19:33

Yeah, man she's so brilliant, well, great, okay. So music and things that make us feel, all the things makes me think about. I went to St Louis this week. I went on a work trip with one of our clients and we visited one of the radio stations moose, that you work with on a regular basis and I do too, and that sounded so stupid.

Speaker 2 20:01

Why are we? I didn't know we were a criticism podcast. Yeah, I know, I know.

Speaker 1 20:06

Yeah, we visited one of the radio stations that we work with really often and some of the people that work there even listened to our podcast, and so it was a real kind of shot in the arm for me this week, because the people at this radio station really love my client and you know he was there to, you know, record a bunch of different things, everything from like videos to liners, to being on air and doing interviews and stuff like that, and so we did all of that and it was really fun for me because I felt celebrated being there too, like as cat, because there were a few people there that listened to the podcast and there are a few people there that I have known for 25 years or more, you know, and from when I'd used to call radio stations and stuff like that, and so it just was really cool to me to receive encouragement from an angle that I wasn't expecting it this week and that just felt really good.

Hotel Room Mix-Up

Speaker 1 21:02

And then the event that we did together the concert was just fantastic and our client did a great job. Like all of his jokes really landed and the stories behind certain songs really seemed to resonate with the audience and the audience was like singing back every single word of every single song. It just it was just a great event. And then I ended up getting to talk to some other friends from the station about, you know, everything from like therapy to life, to, again, the quirks of being human, our podcast, and I got a shout out from stage. It's like all of it felt super good. And I also, in the midst of all of that, had the weirdest experience that I wanted to ask you guys what would you do if you found yourself in this, in this experience?

Speaker 1 21:47

I have been waiting for this story.

Speaker 2 21:49

I mean, you've been telling me that you have a story, but you can't tell me yet Cause you have to tell it on the podcast.

Speaker 1 21:54

Yeah, I am ready. Yeah, and it's. It's not even that good of a story. I'm just curious. I forgot we're criticism podcast Sure.

Speaker 2 22:01

Guys, prepare for a mediocre, shitty story. It's probably shit, I'm ready. Okay, we all already expected.

Speaker 1 22:09

Yeah, good, now hit your snooze button and cats gonna talk. I'm doing really well with my confidence today. Nice, yes, thank you. Okay. So what happened is we landed in St Louis around 10 am. We went to the hotel to check in because it was a little bit too early to go to lunch and our hotel was right by the airport. And so we get to the hotel and and my client checks in and goes to his room, and then I check in and I go to my room and I get to my room and it hasn't been cleaned.

Speaker 1 22:41

Oh you are you kidding, mm-hmm? I'm not kidding, that's not okay. And, nick, granted, we're there at like 10 o'clock in the morning, so it's a very early check in.

Speaker 3 22:50

Yeah, but they should have told you. So I have so much grace, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they wouldn't, shouldn't have let you in.

Speaker 1 22:54

So so anyway, so I go in the room, I go, oh wow, it's not clean and it wasn't disgusting, but it smelled kind of like another person and there were like bath towels on the floor. No, you know, at least the person that was there even tried to kind of make up the bed a little bit, so it was like a nice kind of dirty, but it was still dirty.

Speaker 2 23:14

Right.

Speaker 1 23:15

Nice dirty. And so I I went ahead and like freshened up, like I didn't touch anything in the room but I just sat in front of the mirror and kind of redid my makeup. And then I went downstairs before we went to the radio station and I said hey, just so you knew my room wasn't clean and I'm not going to be back until like 10 o'clock tonight. So if it could just be cleaned by the time I get back, I would really appreciate it. And they were like oh my gosh, miss Davis, we're so sorry that you know it'll be taken care of so fast forward. I just told you about all the lovely experiences at the station and at the concert and all of that.

Speaker 1 23:48

So fast forward to about 1030 that night. We get back to the hotel and there is a line of about 50 people at the check-in. So it's like it's like a whole bus had like dropped people off at the hotel. So the line was like incredibly long. And I was. I said to my client I said aren't you glad that we checked in this morning and not right now? And he was like oh man, I'm so glad cause I just want to go to bed. And I was like me too, and so anyway, so he went to his room. I went to my room and the room had not been touched.

Speaker 2 24:20

Oh my gosh, I would have been in a rage. What would you? Do oh, oh, oh Well, knowing that there's that many people down at the front desk, my ass would have called and said hi, I spoke with someone this morning. My room was not clean. It's currently not cleaned. Move me to another room. I need this key ASAP.

Speaker 3 24:43

Okay, okay, sarah, I would have done something similar.

Speaker 2 24:47

Yeah, you would have called Whoa, what did you do? Tell me, you did not sleep it OK, were there two beds or one?

Speaker 1 24:55

There's what you did not sleep in a dirty bed. I didn't sleep in a dirty bed.

Speaker 3 25:00

OK.

Speaker 1 25:01

OK, ok, what did you do? Well, I had a lot of thoughts. I thought there's one. I saw one employee working at the check-in desk and so I didn't even think to call. Everybody that I've told this story to has responded in that way that they would have been mad. They would have picked up the phone and they would have demanded either to come clean my room or go to a different room. I didn't even think to pick up the phone, like it did not even cross my mind. I stood there with my suitcase and I looked at the bed and I was like God, so could I turn the covers inside out? And then I was like oh my gosh, what if there's like sex juice in the bed? And like what if? Like, oh my gosh. And so then I was like no, no, no, no, I don't even want to touch the bed because I don't know what's gone on in the bed and I don't need that to be a part of my life.

Speaker 1 25:45

And then I was like, and I wouldn't be able to use any of the pillows, and oh my gosh. And so I went through this whole like how should I sleep in the chair? Like, should I lay on the floor? Like, should I what?

Speaker 2 25:55

like well, you are a true Enneagram too right now, by the way.

Speaker 1 26:00

Well, and also I don't want to go stand in that damn line.

Speaker 1 26:04

Like, I like, it's like 11 o'clock at night and I'm tired and I've been peopeling all day, and so, anyway, I have a friend of mine who she and I do Marco Polo together that's the way that we kind of stand touch and I saw that I had a Polo from her and I was like you know what? I'm going to watch this before I go to sleep, regardless of where I watch it. So why don't I go downstairs, stand in line, watch the Polo and just wait my turn to get the situation figured out? And so that's what I did. I went into the hotel lobby, I watched the Polo and I waited in line for probably 15 minutes, but, like who cares, because I was watching the Polo. And then the lady was so kind to me and she was like oh my gosh, I'm so sorry, here's your new room key, here's your new room, blah, blah, blah. And it just kind of made me wonder, like, like, how, how, how would people respond to that situation? And so I was just curious. It's not that good of a story.

Speaker 2 27:01

Well, I currently in a conflict management class right now, and so I should think more before I actually say what I'm going to do. But what I'm recognizing is that you and Sarah are in the river because you kind of did the Iki Ie, or what's it called, sarah, a uteri, uteri, huh. You went down and you just paid attention what's around you, which, for you, was your Marco Polo, and you were calm and compassionate and kind, and we all probably should be more like you. Oh yeah, but when I'm tired, I could feel the tiredness, you know, when I'm tired or hungry.

Espresso Tonic and Seafood Preferences

Speaker 1 27:42

I am the worst version of myself, and I was so hungry, like when I went to bed that night in my nice clean bed. I was laying there and my stomach was going and I was thinking, like, why, like, why didn't I grab like some peanuts or like a bag of chips or like something from the lobby? I had nothing. I had an experience yesterday and I'm curious if you guys have ever had an espresso in tonic.

Speaker 2 28:11

No, I think I've seen that on a coffee menu before, but no, I have espresso in in like when you say tonic, like the tonic that you would make with a vodka tonic, ok, yes, delicious.

Speaker 3 28:25

Yes, you think so, sarah, so good, I do. I love espresso and tonic. Ok, and I love us in espresso martini. Oh yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 28:33

OK, wait, did you like it, kat?

Speaker 1 28:36

Well, no, like there was something about it. Let me set the stage. So I was with some of my body work friends yesterday. One of the people in our community has gone through an unexpected loss.

Speaker 1 28:53

And so, thankfully, we just had a few moments to be together and have breakfast together, and one of the things on the menu was an espresso tonic and we were all like what the hell is that? You know, it's like that can't be good and blah, blah, blah. And so I was like, well, I'm going to order it, just to see what the heck it is.

Speaker 2 29:08

I love that you do that. I love that you try it yeah.

Speaker 1 29:11

Oh yeah, and so so they bring me the drink and it's like an iced coffee that's got like an orange peel in it and and and so I like pick it up to smell it and it smells like dog shit. Oh seriously, it seriously smells the same.

Speaker 2 29:29

I do think that coffee and dog poop can smell similarly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 29:33

I do.

Speaker 2 29:34

What I like the smell of coffee. But there are times where I'm like, is that dog shit? Oh no, sarah just made a pour over, oh shit.

Speaker 1 29:42

Nice, it's the weirdest smell, and so so I smelled it and I was like even though against my better judgment, I wouldn't drink dog shit, like that's not something I would do, of course, and so so I took a sip of it anyway, and the flavors were really complex. Like there was the coffee, bitter cocoa, dark caffeinated brew type type flavor, and I don't dislike tonic water. I hate tonic.

Speaker 2 30:12

And why did you even think that you would like that? Yeah, I forget.

Speaker 1 30:16

I didn't think I would like it. I hate the taste of tonic.

Speaker 2 30:18

I know that I hate tonic water?

Speaker 1 30:20

Yeah, and I just wanted to. We were all curious about it, so I just wanted to see, you know, and it's not, I don't hate it, so bad that I won't try it, you know. And so the, the, the citrus and the bitterness and the, the bubbly of the tonic water, mixing with everything I just mentioned, and then the orange peel. It just was a very sophisticated, yeah, very complex drink and I only had like two sips of it and I learned from one of our friends sitting at the table that tonic water contains quinine.

Speaker 2 30:52

You, know what. I've always seen quinine on there, but I don't know what that means.

Speaker 1 30:58

Do you have any idea, Sarah, what quinine is?

Speaker 2 31:00

I hope it's an element on the periodic table and we can carry over the periodic table into a new episode.

Speaker 1 31:07

It might as well be. It might as well be it actually comes from the bark of a tree, really.

Speaker 3 31:12

Yeah, they use it to treat malaria. Wait, how do?

Speaker 1 31:14

you just know this. The person at the table knew it. I didn't know it. I was like, what the hell is quinine? I thought it was quinine, but whatever. So also I called the Gospels at the beginning of this episode Agnostic, and they're called the Gnostic Agnostic is no God, right yeah. You know, it's really these words. These words mean two totally different things. Gnostic means relating to knowledge, especially esoteric, mystical knowledge. Agnostic means I don't believe there's God, and whichever side of the fence you sit on is totally fine. You're welcome here.

Speaker 1 31:52

That's right, welcome, welcome but you're right, sarah, they used quinine back in the 1800s, when the British were like invading like India and all those places Like in the East. They would give soldiers a ration of gin and they would also give them quinine, and the soldiers started going like, hey, if we mix these two things together, they don't really. With a little bit of sugar, they don't actually taste as bad. And so that's kind of where the gin and tonic came from. Seriously, yes and so because they wanted to help the soldiers prevent malaria, and then you can also use it for evening leg cramps.

Speaker 3 32:39

Oh, not morning leg cramps.

Speaker 1 32:41

No, just evening leg cramps. Quinine only works in this way in the evening, yeah, and so I just thought that was really fascinating. And then, of course, I learned as I kept reading, that the espresso tonic was invented in the 1900s in Sweden.

Speaker 2 32:58

Was it Really. Yes, wow, yeah. I really do love that you look at a menu and you go what's interesting here? I got to try it.

Speaker 1 33:08

I need to do more of that. I used to be a little more. Let's do it together.

Speaker 2 33:12

I don't like seafood. Can we talk about that? Yes, like I don't like it, is there a way for me to begin liking it? Or do you think I just I'm one of those people that can't be sophisticated enough to have clam whatever? I like clams.

Speaker 1 33:31

Well, like you said, yeah, like you said, this is a criticism podcast, so I'm glad that you are putting yourself in that really beautiful glow of wholeness and wholeness and enjoying being your unique and authentic self. Yes, there is a way. There's a new restaurant here in town called the Cajun Steamer.

Speaker 2 33:51

Oh you told me about this.

Speaker 1 33:53

And they have got fried blue crab claws.

Speaker 2 33:56

But see, I love that. See, now you're talking beach food. I can get around the fried thing. So what is the difference between beach food and seafood? Well, I mean, seafood is like okay.

Speaker 2 34:07

For instance, I was in New York recently. We go out with a group and we order calamari as one of our appetizers, but it was called octopus, but I thought they meant calamari. I just thought, oh, you know, it's New York, they don't want to call it calamari. Yeah, this was octopus and they made me try it and I was like I'm not eating a sucker, I ate a sucker and it was interesting and chewy and all the things. But like, I cannot stand things that are fishy, like, and I know people say like, well, if it's fresh, it shouldn't be fishy. That's so funny. Why did I use that voice? But that isn't true. I've eaten foods that are fresh and that shit came out of the ocean and it's a fish. So it tastes like fish, yeah Right, and I just do not. It's like I really do wish I had more of a tolerance for it so that I could truly enjoy it, because you know I have a tolerance for other things. But I will say this if you put some garlic and butter on that shit.

Speaker 1 35:15

I mean I was going to say you didn't have a problem at all with that lobster that we had in Brian.

Speaker 2 35:21

I did, though. Like I did, Like it was delicious, but there was only so much I could go. I like I still had a hint of the fishiness.

Speaker 1 35:32

Huh, I don't remember that from that experience.

Speaker 2 35:34

Well, it was good. I will say I do like lobster. Sometimes I'll eat shrimp. Sarah, what was the name of that dish that we had in Scotland?

Speaker 3 35:47

Oh, Escargo, one of my favorites.

Speaker 2 35:51

Oh, she made, you had snails.

Speaker 3 35:53

Yes, I love. It's one of my favorites. In fact, it's also one of my favorite creatures, so it's kind of awful. I love snails, but I also like to eat them.

Speaker 2 36:02

You also love slugs.

Speaker 3 36:04

Yep, archie had a slug caught up in his fur, in his armpit. And Sarah said it loose and I got. I saved the slug and put it back outside.

Speaker 1 36:14

Oh my gosh, Like Sarah, I didn't know this about you Like, why do you love?

Speaker 3 36:18

snails and slugs. I don't know when I was in Alaska I we were on a hike and I I found a bunch of the slugs on the ground and they were like I have photo of it. They're like the size of my palm, Just huge, big, long black slugs. People wouldn't want to touch that and I picked them up.

Speaker 2 36:37

She picked them up and carried them with her on the hike.

Speaker 1 36:40

Oh my gosh, that is something else I've always heard with slugs that you're supposed to put salt on them and they shrivel up and I've always thought that's so cool, so I've not ever done it. I don't think that you remember.

Speaker 2 36:54

Yeah, but have you had a scar go? I need to know because I love it If you don't tell people what it is. That is delicious, but it's covered in garlic and butter.

Speaker 1 37:06

Yeah, I was going to say it's basically garlic and butter soup with a couple of slugs in it.

Speaker 2 37:12

Like that's yeah, why not just put some chicken?

Speaker 1 37:15

bits in there. Yeah, yeah, something. I don't know If you breath there's tons of butter and garlic.

Speaker 2 37:21

Yeah, but why does it have to be a snail? Why does it have to be a snail? It's a it's a.

Speaker 3 37:25

What do they?

Speaker 1 37:26

call it A delicacy. Delicacy, yes, it's a delicacy.

Speaker 2 37:29

Have you guys had caviar? I have yes.

Speaker 1 37:34

I think I tried it once. I tried it as part of a mystery shot at a sushi place and I mean look at you, You're wild.

Speaker 2 37:43

I have no idea that you were so wild, kat Davis. I mean I'm wild and crazy, I mean truly you had a caviar shot.

Speaker 1 37:54

Well, there was caviar in the shot, like it's it, I don't it wasn't just caviar, like had all kinds of weird shit in there and I didn't enjoy it, but I was really proud of myself for for consuming it and not dying and giving it a shot, okay.

Speaker 3 38:11

When I was a kid I would get a stack of like a pack of saltine crackers and some butter and some peanut butter, and I would slap some butter on it, some peanut butter, and that I would call that caviar.

Speaker 1 38:24

Oh, that's amazing.

Speaker 2 38:26

Yeah, that sounds delicious.

Speaker 3 38:28

I know it's so good. Yeah, that was my caviar.

Speaker 1 38:33

And I used to do that with Ritz crackers. When my blood sugar would get low, I would put I would put a little bit of butter and a little bit of peanut butter and eat the shit out of that. Oh my gosh, that's so good.

Speaker 2 38:44

You know something I learned that's super healthy for you is after you eat lunch or dinner or whatever, the way to keep your blood sugar from spiking is just immediately to go on a walk. So you're done eating, just go, even if it's not a long walk and apparently your muscles absorb any of the sugar that would normally spike. Oh, very cool. Just learn that. You're welcome guys. Yes, thank you. Did you learn that Exercise?

Speaker 1 39:09

podcast. Yes, we are an exercise podcast. I want to go back to your question about seafood, though you enjoy beach food.

Speaker 2 39:18

You enjoy fried.

Speaker 1 39:19

Yeah, yeah, but like what is? What is the goal that you're trying to attain? Like because to me I feel like you're having a want or an expectation of yourself that I just don't understand, like what the root of it is.

Speaker 2 39:32

Well, I would consider myself a restaurant foodie, meaning I love going to all different kinds of restaurants and experiencing things. But that is the one area it when somebody's like you know even you will be like hey, do you want to go out? There's this new seafood place. Like I'm probably going to get steak if I'm there, you know, and that's nice that they always have that option. But I like some whitefish, I like cod and I like some tilapia, depending on the experience. I don't like salmon at all.

Speaker 3 40:05

It's my favorite.

Speaker 2 40:07

I mean. It's just I don't like it either. I'm like shocked when people are eating salmon Like I could gag for them.

Speaker 1 40:13

I, yeah. I have a friend who regularly at least a lot of times when I'm around her she eats raw salmon like smoked salmon, yeah, and you know it comes like in little slivers or whatever. And almost every time I'm with her and she has it. I will try some because I'm like maybe this time I'll enjoy it. You know I just can't develop a taste for it.

Speaker 2 40:36

Yeah, so I just need to get over. It's fine. It's okay that I don't eat seafood.

Speaker 1 40:40

It is okay that you don't eat some seafood Right. There are other seafoods that you eat and I would love if you have a moment to just breathe in and, as you breathe out, let go of any need to like seafood that you don't like. Just let it out.

Speaker 2 40:59

I'm gonna let it out. It's great, I know. It's good for you, though, you know.

Speaker 1 41:04

Some people would debate that. There's some books that say that you know the scavengers of the world the pigs and the shrimp and the crawfish and the lobsters and the crabs and stuff like that that it's terrible for you to eat their flesh.

Speaker 2 41:18

God, can you not say flesh?

Speaker 1 41:20

Seriously, I just became a vegetarian again. Go and find it. It's a book called Eat Like the Bible, or something like that. It's like I'm good, more religious trauma.

Speaker 2 41:30

That's what we need. Yes, hey, kat, we're getting ready to take a class on religious trauma. Are you excited?

Speaker 1 41:39

about that. I am so excited about taking a class about religious trauma. I think that we have found, like kind of the the pinnacle of our training, before we are ready to truly be able to call ourselves Yep what.

Speaker 2 42:00

Coaches yes, I had no idea what you're going for.

Speaker 1 42:09

Kat Davis, lmt anointed.

Speaker 2 42:13

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Speaker 1 42:22

LMTs Kat is here for you.

Speaker 2 42:24

She wants to give you body work like you've never had body work and we're and she is open for business and I'm open for business if you need a coach.

Speaker 1 42:34

So can we talk about luck finding us Cause we're hacked. Talk about the letters that will come after your name once you're finished with your degree.

Speaker 2 42:43

Oh, I'm going to be moose. Comma MPS.

Speaker 1 42:54

Masters of pretty. Okay, got it yeah.

Speaker 2 42:57

Master of professional studies, but I'm also a coach, so I've you know I'm. What is that? So what are those letters?

Speaker 3 43:03

I know how much you love these letters, Moose comma coach.

Speaker 1 43:05

So it's moose comma. Mps It'll be S comma coach, comma anointed anointed one, so I need one more. I need one more set of letters after my name. You do Um manager.

Speaker 2 43:18

Get um, how about M Uh M.

Speaker 3 43:24

R T.

Speaker 2 43:25

MRT, mrt, masters of religious trauma. Done and done, done.

Speaker 1 43:45

Special thanks to our producer, sarah Reed, to find out more.

Speaker 2 43:48

go to Kat and Moose podcastcom. Moose is a BP production.