Kat and Moose Podcast
Kat and Moose Podcast is a true-life podcast exploring the quirks of being human. We bring hilarious anecdotes and thought-provoking discussions about spirituality, mental health, personal growth, bodywork, midlife, relationships, self-care, and more!
Join hosts Kat, Moose, and Producer Sara as they dive deep into various topics: spirituality, mental health, mid-life questions, relationships, bodywork, poetry, loving ourselves, and living our most authentic lives. We also sprinkle in some enneagram and five-element theory because why not? We work in the music industry in Nashville, which also gets dabbled in.
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Have you ever tried to form a band with zero singing talent? Moose did, and it was hilariously awkward. Join us as Moose relives her futile attempt to create a church singing group called "Three Strand Cord" with her twin friends. Meanwhile, Kat recounts her time in a house dubbed "the brothel," where she and her roommates formed a whimsically named band, "Atian." Together, we share our teenage musical misadventures and the quirky lengths we went to just to fit into the music scene despite our rather evident lack of talent.
We take a whimsical detour into our musical dreams, imagining ideal band scenarios from folksy ensembles to indie pop drumming. A memorable encounter at the National Eucharistic Congress brings us face-to-face with an astronaut, leading to a humorous discussion about the less glamorous aspects of space travel. Our conversation is sprinkled with playful banter about sibling torture through music, making this episode both entertaining and deeply personal.
From debating the controversy over the Olympic opening ceremony to unpacking internal beliefs for healing, our chat shifts gears to tackle deeper themes. We reflect on a family conversation about politics and the art of constructive disagreement. Diving into the impact of unconscious beliefs, we discuss how recognizing and vocalizing internal struggles can diffuse their power. Celebrate the unique strengths we each bring to our relationships, and anticipate next week's episode with a teaser about a parking mishap that led to a popped tire.
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Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast.
Speaker 3:I'm Cat.
Speaker 2:And I'm Moose. This is a true life podcast where we explore the quirks of being human. Do you want me to tell you a true story? Yes, hey, cat, hey Moose, hey, sarah, hey, sarah, hey guys, hey. So I've never told the story because I'm so embarrassed by it. And you're going to say it out loud in public.
Speaker 1:Hey, so I've never told the story because I'm so embarrassed and you're going to say it out loud in public. Okay, it's not.
Speaker 3:I just have to interrupt and say please ignore Vinny who's downstairs. He's barking at somebody and we don't know why, and sorry, it's a small dog. Tell us the story.
Speaker 2:Moose, okay. So, um, when I was like 13 and I had recently been saved by the blood of Christ and and I you know they say that music industry people like us are actually just people who wanted to be the artist but didn't have enough talent.
Speaker 1:Now, who is they? This is what I want to know. I mean ask Sarah, because they are assholes.
Speaker 2:I have the corner on the market of the. They's Okay, I really do, because Sarah makes fun of me all the time when I'll say they're saying that and she's like who is they? But I really do know what people are saying. Okay, okay, I believe you.
Speaker 1:So what was I just talking about? About being 13 and being saved by the blood of the land? I'm just reflecting back. Yes, thank you.
Speaker 2:So I, uh, I went to my two best friends, who were twins. Uh, jennifer and Becky are their names.
Speaker 1:If you're listening, and you were best friends with both of them. Jennifer and becky are their names, if you're listening, and you were best friends with both of them you have to be.
Speaker 2:They're twins, you know. You can't leave one out, okay I mean they were different.
Speaker 3:Is that how that?
Speaker 2:works, yeah, well, yeah, because when we're hanging out, the other one's there I mean they have to be together at all times.
Speaker 3:They're not conjoined.
Speaker 1:I want to make sure we did a whole episode on conjoined twins.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you go Google that, Okay, so they're not conjoined. Anyway, my two friends, there was some verse in the Bible this is all I wanted to say that said something you guys know it about a three cord strand, where a three chord strand is not easily broken.
Speaker 3:It's out of the two or more gathered. Well, that's a different one.
Speaker 2:I think it's the same, though, same idea. But, anyway, I booked us. I booked us to singing gig. We had never sang together, but I booked us a singing gig at a church that I think when we got there there was a total of like 30 people. It was this country church, but the name of our group was three strand cord or whatever that is Awesome.
Speaker 1:Three cord strand, whatever that phrase is because there were three of us. That is awesome. You were like Wilson Phillips before, and here's the thing just like the clarinet, I couldn't sing a lick.
Speaker 2:They were great singers, so I would just find the harmony and kind of not sing at other points. Like I would look at them, like this is her part, and so I had us practice.
Speaker 1:I I like I booked it before I even told them what I was doing, which is very much like yeah, that doesn't surprise me one, but enneagram eight of you, it is and so anyway, I don't know what you said earlier that made me think of that, but I feel it's because we harmonized.
Speaker 2:I feel like I have never really said that I was in a band before, but it wasn't acapella group. We had one gig, that is awesome, yeah.
Speaker 1:So so this little known fact. Well, I want to spend enough time on that.
Speaker 2:No, I feel good to wrap that up. Thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 1:So Sarah has been in a band a legit band that had a record contract and a booking agent and the whole nine yards. Um, you were in a band that had a record contract and a booking agent and the whole nine yards. Um, you were in a band that had one gig called the three chord strand is that the right, I think so okay, I think a three chord strand is is not easily broken it's like you would know it was your band neither one.
Speaker 2:I know it was one of those two things three strand chord or three chord strand yeah, it's more difficult to fake singing than it is actually singing by the way. I would just literally just like the clarinet, like oh my gosh, I'm realizing there's a theme here of me faking my way through life.
Speaker 1:Okay, back to you. Okay, so, um. So we created a band when, um, I lived with seven other women, um, when, tell them what your house was called. Our house was called the brothel because there's some sort of Tennessee state law or something that says we're seven or more gathered that it means you're a whorehouse.
Speaker 2:It really is a thing. Right it is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's really a thing, and so, anyway, we always called it the brothel. We joked that because all of us lived together that we were a brothel, but we were all good Christian girls that weren't sleeping with people at least not that we talked about.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:So, anyway, we created a band called Asian. That is the worst name I've ever heard, until you learn how to come up with your like character name, because one of us was fastened nation.
Speaker 1:oh, one of us was like rady, asian, and one of us was obama nation you know what I mean so we that's very good I made us jerseys, like I, I made us everything and we would practice in our basement and our friend Aubrey, I think she, played the drums and our friend Leah would play guitar. I pretended to play guitar and I sang like I was one of the singers which you guys know I don't sing. I mean, you can at least carry a tune I do sing every week, but it's not of the quality that people would want to pay money to come see. Hey, which Asian were you? I don't remember.
Speaker 2:Well, just go with your wait, go into your body. What Asian are you now? That's a better question. Everybody.
Speaker 3:What Asian am I now?
Speaker 2:What Asian are you? I am.
Speaker 1:I'm going to imagine Everybody. What Asian am I? What Asian are you I am? I'm going to imagine Ooh, good one. Okay. What are you, Sarah? Who are you in your body? Asian?
Speaker 3:I am a rhythm nation.
Speaker 1:Thank you, janet, yeah thank you, janet. Oh, janet jackson you remember that video that, yeah, I loved rhythm, nation, I loved record.
Speaker 2:Do you know her song? This is an ADHD podcast.
Speaker 1:If you are just joining us we are neurodivergent, yeah, and we will give you audible things to make you sick Like, oh no, I literally told her I was going to switch and do things that really just mess with your. That keep you in defense mode all the time, correct.
Speaker 2:But no, no shocking lighting. Um, because we don't want anyone to have a seizure. Yeah, no, strobe lights, correct. Yes, what were we talking about, janet?
Speaker 3:Jackson.
Speaker 2:Janet Jackson. Oh, okay, there is a song that I I feel like I've done this before it's called again it's called again.
Speaker 3:Oh yes, this was one of your love songs have I?
Speaker 2:have I talked about that? Yeah, you have. Okay, cool Moving on. You can edit that. Uh, we were speaking about bands. Okay, so you were the Asian. Yeah, we were the.
Speaker 1:Asians. Okay, and you were the three chord strand, the three strand chord, and you were the Asians. Yeah, we were the Asians, and you were the three chord strand, the three strand chord, and you were in a band called.
Speaker 3:I am that. I was in a band called I, am they?
Speaker 2:So apparently you really know about the days as well, if anybody has any questions about who they is? Yes, You're the. You guys go go Google, sarah I am they.
Speaker 1:And especially that video where you wore the yellow feathered jacket. Oh yeah, it's a music video.
Speaker 3:It's a music video called Scars. The song is called Scars, yeah.
Speaker 1:That was a big song.
Speaker 2:It's about the blood of the lamb, that's right.
Speaker 1:Go ahead Well, as it pertains to the blood of the lamb.
Speaker 2:Oh wait, I have one more question, but make it quick, guys. Okay, it pertains to the blood of the lamb. I have one more question, but make it quick, guys. Okay, people can't stay on these topics for very long. If you were to be an artist I know that's not what you really wanted, kat, but if you were to be an artist, would you be a solo artist? What kind of genre would it be, or would it be like a band and genre? Everyone answer that.
Speaker 1:Okay, like a band and genre. Everyone answer that. Okay, I would be in a speakeasy band with two other women and I would call it the cat and moose podcast and what would we do?
Speaker 2:just sing like our favorite songs. We would talk about the quirks of being. Oh, we would have a podcast. It wouldn't be a band. I mean, you know, you know what you're in a. You're in a um, what is it called?
Speaker 1:You are in a rhythm nation, throuple Wow.
Speaker 2:Nope, oh man, what is it? The kind of comedy? You're taking class for improv. You're in an improv class and you denied me what band you were going to be in. You went straight for the podcast. So I will ask you again what band will you be in?
Speaker 1:I would be in a three member band. That that harmonizes beautifully. Like Wilson Phillips, Like I would just follow my people.
Speaker 2:Do you think we need to bring the three strand cord back? I do.
Speaker 1:I think we could be the three strand cord.
Speaker 2:We changed the name of the podcast If you were like, oh, it's a Christian podcast, okay, let's start.
Speaker 1:We're going to just skyrocket to the top of the charts.
Speaker 3:I know we really are Okay, so what?
Speaker 2:would your band be? Mine would definitely be. It would be very a mix between Alanis Morissette and and Wild Rivers and Brandi Carlile oh nice, I would listen to that Like folksy but A little angry, little angry, little, uh, a lot of time spent on the lyrics. Yes, you know, it's like absolutely yeah. And and I, you know, I have been thinking I'm writing more poetry and I'm thinking maybe we just put my poetry to some music. I love that, yeah.
Speaker 1:Maybe that could. Maybe that could be like a what's it called when we do like a sidecar episode. Oh yeah, you know like sidecar.
Speaker 2:I like that a lot, moose's sidecar it's been.
Speaker 1:It's being recorded.
Speaker 2:I have a sidecar. Oh, it is being recorded. Great, we might remember it. What band are you going to be in?
Speaker 3:I think I like playing drums for, like, indie pop, okay, whatever that is Okay, I don't know. So maybe it's our band, maybe that's what we are.
Speaker 1:Maybe you're the drummer. You're basically in charge of setting the rhythm of all the things which we just got done. The rhythm is going to catch. The rhythm is gonna get you.
Speaker 2:The rhythm is gonna get you. I hate that song, you do. I forget how much you hate that song I hate her music Doesn't your sister? Just sing it to you every once in a while. Oh, she tortures me with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, She'll send me messages of Gloria Estefan any Gloria Estefan song, because it's like talking about having auditory issues, like if I hear her music, which I just did. Thanks, You're welcome. It'll be in my head for days.
Speaker 2:Like I can't, I'll literally wake up going.
Speaker 1:And all those horns and like, oh, I just can't stand it. Yeah, the horns, it's a whole thing and then the other song not artist, but song that my sister tortures me with is smooth operator and it's like, wait a minute, chicago's in the middle of the country.
Speaker 2:Yeah la, to chicago yeah, no, it's not coast to coast, new york, she's a liar yeah, wow, okay.
Speaker 1:so you talked at the beginning about being saved by the blood of the lamb right, and last weekend I had the pleasure of going to the national eucharistic congress oh, the catholic convention, yes, yes, in indianapolis, indiana, at Lucas Oil Stadium, and so there were arguably between 40 and 60,000 people in attendance. I mean, it was huge.
Speaker 2:Who lost 20,000 in there somewhere.
Speaker 1:Well, I just think you know, some people tell the truth and some people, you know, elaborate, and so I know there was at least 40,000 people there and some people said there were 60. It's so great, you know, somewhere in there and I had the opportunity to hear several speakers, several musicians, and I was fascinated by what I took away from it. What was it? Well, two things I got to talk to in person, not like in public. I mean, there was like probably like seven of us in the room. We got to hear from an astronaut and he told us stories about space is gross space is gross, it's gross because of all the junk.
Speaker 1:There's all kinds of things that happen when you're in space that you just don't think about when you're on the earth, because gravity is doing what it's doing and in space it's like zero gravity, right, and so like pooping, yes, like pooping. So when you go poop in space you have to take a glove. Oh man, because when you go to the bathroom here on earth, plop, plop, fizz, fizz. Oh, what a relief. It is right, like it plops into the, into the toilet. Oh, plop is such a bad word it is, it is plop.
Speaker 1:It gets the point across though. Right, you can just start a business.
Speaker 2:You can just hear the in space.
Speaker 1:That doesn't happen because gravity is not working to pull the poop down. So you have to reach and you have to scrape no, and then you have to like Scrape. Well, I mean you have to if you want to wipe your butt.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm already doing that, aren't I? Yes, but with a glove.
Speaker 1:Well, because you're not like when you wipe your butt. The has already happened here. Oh, you're grabbing it so you gotta go get it. You gotta go get no the feces, and so then you take it, can you?
Speaker 2:not say feces or plop sorry.
Speaker 1:so anyway, you gotta take care of that. And then do the glove you know, like inside out, and put it like in a diaper genie basically is like what they have up there, and then after it's like picking up dog poop A little bit, and then, after a certain amount of time, the container that contains number two. I followed your rules. Thank you, you're welcome. I wanted some acknowledgement for that. You're welcome. I mean, um, thank you, you're welcome. I wanted some acknowledgement for that. Um, so I mean thank you. So you put the. You put the shit in the can, and every so often a spacecraft comes from earth to pick up the shit cans and they get to put all the shit cans in the spacecraft and then they send it back to earth. But they make this particular spaceship so that it burns up in the atmosphere. So what happens to astronaut poop in space is that it gets sent back toward Earth and on its re-entry into the Earth it disintegrates.
Speaker 2:No, so if every now and then you're walking around and, oh my gosh, you might be smelling disintegrated astronaut poop, that is like I know someone I almost said who it was but I know someone who after a week of camping it's not anyone in this room, it isn't opens the sewer on their country roads and just empties the sewage and just lets it go. Just lets it, oh wow, especially because they live out near all the cows.
Speaker 1:You know. So it's like what's the difference between?
Speaker 3:their shit and their shit Right yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, I thought it was actually quite fastidious of us humans to go like well, at least like you're not just throwing the shit out into space and just letting it float around. I think they are, but you're not just throwing the shit out into space and just letting it. I think they are, but they're not okay, they're sending it back to an astronaut and how the hell does this have anything to do with the catholic you got?
Speaker 2:that is a great question.
Speaker 1:Thank you, he was one of the keynote speakers, and so I got to spend time with him the night before his talk, backstage, and we were actually sitting in the locker room of the Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 2:Cool, it was so neat I've been there. What is the second thing you?
Speaker 1:learned. The second thing I learned and this is going to be controversial, I think, especially with you, probably I listened to a talk by Bishop Robert Barron. He's a bishop up in Minnesota and he's an excellent speaker. He's got great, great skills and he started talking about chastity. And when you think about chastity, like the belts yes, yeah, like a chastity belt.
Speaker 2:First thing, I think of.
Speaker 1:Do you have one, sarah Me? Yeah, never. You seem instantly familiar with it.
Speaker 2:Can you find a photo while she's talking?
Speaker 1:the church, we think of celibacy, we think of like. In the Catholic church, priests and nuns are celibate, like that's their, that's part of their sacrifice, it's part of their, their calling. And so he was like what do you think of when you think of chastity? And of course everybody was like built, or like sex, or like you know, like all of that kind of stuff. And he started talking about how what he was really encouraging was understand the actual meaning of the values of the church, chastity being one of them, poverty being one in them, and there are several more.
Speaker 1:And so when we talk about chastity, he was saying that the reason that the Catholic church is against birth control is not for any other reason than making sure and I'm botching this because he said it so much more eloquently but he was basically saying that like, using birth control really objectifies the woman and it makes the woman just an instrument of a man's desire if he doesn't have to worry about getting her pregnant.
Speaker 1:And so he was saying chastity is actually you, you as a man, loving your, your partner, your wife, enough to utilize self-restraint during times where she's likely to become pregnant, rather than just like covering it up literally and just having sex, you know, and to me I thought like what a beautiful way to look at how to love another person. And it was. It was interesting for me because I consider myself progressive, I consider myself more left than right and you know, and it's like the church is like it's really hurt me my whole life and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and I really allowed myself to just really receive what I heard and learned and I thought it was fascinating perspective and so I wanted to see, like when, when I say the word chastity, right, like we know, sarah thinks belt. What do you think?
Speaker 2:Same belt. This was a deep discussion. That's what look. That's what a chastity belt looked like.
Speaker 1:What's the hole in the bottom for for peeing? Wait, can I see it again? But there's still a hole, oh maybe you're allowed to touch things.
Speaker 2:You just can't fit it in, hey you guys asked the question.
Speaker 3:I just answered it yeah.
Speaker 2:Um, I, I appreciate that perspective. I think that sounds like a great way to spin something like and I like that idea that a man actually has restraint around a woman sexually. That's a thought isn't it?
Speaker 1:or at least intentionality. Yeah, hey, we know that if we're gonna consummate right, we know we're gonna have intercourse, that it is possible that, without any sort of birth control, protection or whatever, that that we're going to become pregnant and have a child, and I think that to me, I just really appreciated that it's like he kind of, he kind of debunked the, the like oh well, the church says this, so they mean this. You know it's negative. And it's like no, it's not negative.
Speaker 1:It's saying like actually love one another intentionally and I just really I really appreciated that that's good I've got some christian news.
Speaker 2:Okay, can you give me some music? Yeah, okay, so we have the olympics. You really failed us on that one.
Speaker 3:I don't know the Olympic music. I'm very sorry.
Speaker 1:Thank you for everyone, which, by the way, the French dude that swam the 100. Oh my gosh, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:I know, it was awesome that was great.
Speaker 1:His name was Marchand Marchand.
Speaker 2:And the president of France is Marchand.
Speaker 1:Yes, and he called Marchand yeah, he did.
Speaker 2:They said ah, my name is Marchand. My name is Marchand.
Speaker 3:And we are French.
Speaker 2:Oh, my name is Marcon, my name is Marshall and we are friends. Oh, okay, so the Olympics are happening and my Christian uh, my Christian bubble update is that the Christians are mad. Yeah, because the trans people. And the last supper, I didn't know it was that big of a deal, cause I have Facebook. Oh, you see, you don't know.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's fill in the people. Let's talk about Da Vinci as well. Let's talk about the yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the it was the first time that the opening ceremony wasn't actually in the stadium. Usually it's just people walking around the stadium.
Speaker 3:It's just people walking around the track. It's so dumb, it's so boring yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, we didn't know it was dumb until we saw this year where they're actually everyone's on a boat. Have you seen any of the opening ceremony? No, it's fine. So there were these giant boats and each country kind of had their boat, or if it was a smaller country they would share.
Speaker 3:They put several countries on one boat.
Speaker 2:Like a little dinghy. Yeah, they were like a little dingy, yeah, but they had these insane like dance, musical things happening throughout. Yeah, yeah, and there's this guy wearing a mask, who was carrying the torch on the rooftops. It was really. I saw snoop, fascinating lady gaga celine dion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I heard about. So all these things were happening. Well, one of the things, and you know, even they had a marie antoinette thing where they cut off her head and they were like honoring all the history of france they were kind of doing like a, an artistic interpretation of the history of france.
Speaker 1:Right is the way that I understood it super cool.
Speaker 2:so there was this moment that I didn't know when I saw it, I I didn't, I didn't think a thing, I just was like that's interesting. Well, there are people who are upset that that in their mind it was drag Queens reenacting the last supper, to the point that the Olympic committee even had to apologize.
Speaker 1:But, but to me it looked like people who were theater people eating, yes, yeah, and in I don't remember the name of the painting, but apparently there's also a french painting, maybe by da vinci, correct that that it's argued. You know, were they depicting a painting? Not of the last supper, it was of something that looked kind of similar.
Speaker 1:I guess that just sounded real dumb because I don't know the name of the painting, but oh my gosh, what a dummy, stupid, stupid but yeah, it's like a lot, of, a lot of people in my feed as well have been really really upset and basically going like I'm not gonna watch the olympics if they can't, if they can't honor my lord, like if they can't honor my Lord, like if they can't honor my faith. And and I've seen several people say like well, why are they not talking about Islam or Hinduism or any other religion? Like, why are they? Why are they poking on Christianity? And so what do you think? Like, what do you think?
Speaker 2:I think it's insane. I think this is art, and art is quirky and weird and always has a always has a piece to it of let's have a conversation. So I think there these. I think it's crazy. I think I also think it's like the Brene Brown phrase of like, if you walk into the world thinking you don't belong, you won't belong. Yeah, and I feel like this is a perspective of I'm going to look for something to be mad about and have some sort of like pious, how dare them moment? Visceral reaction.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:When the Olympics is meant to bring people together.
Speaker 3:Yeah, why can't we just root for?
Speaker 2:our gymnasts and our swimmers and all of that. I think it's insane. I didn't know, it was a big deal. I was talking to someone today and they were like what do you think? And I was like, is that really a thing? I mean, it's a big.
Speaker 1:Thing.
Speaker 1:I've seen a lot of people talking, which you know. I look at Facebook for about five minutes in the morning Like that's my extent of social media. Um, and really I look at it because I like reading the little like you know Sufi poems and the little like you know um things from Rumi and stuff like that. You know, like I, I really look for that kind of stuff and I've seen so many people going like this is an abomination to the lord and and all of that, and I don't know the intent, I don't know the origins of it, I'm not educated enough to really know, and I also go like guys like art is art, it's so like I mean, why are we so mad, are we?
Speaker 1:so mad like to think that, like a drag queen, had to be introduced to what the last supper was. Or maybe the drag queen grew up knowing what the last supper was and of course she did Sure, you know like, finally got to express herself in an artistic way. I don't even know if they were drag queens?
Speaker 2:Why can't they just be? I mean, like if you go to an opera show, there are men that are wearing not the most masculine things in the world, or a ballet show?
Speaker 3:why is everything so offensive to people?
Speaker 2:get over it yeah, I am sorry, I think these, I think you're crazy whoever you are, whoever they are you're crazy I don't think that you're crazy.
Speaker 1:I I think that and you know this is always like my stance on things. It's like look, look at everybody's perspective.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just look at it. I agree that's a nicer way to say it.
Speaker 1:I had a conversation with my mom about politics this weekend, just saying, cause I know that our family has very differing opinions about political things and you know we were talking about it and saying how some family members get mad at other family members because of their beliefs.
Speaker 2:That's crazy.
Speaker 1:And it's like, okay, well, can we just go? Hey, I don't agree with you, right? And I'm curious why do you believe that? Why do you think that that's important? Because maybe I can educate myself or I can go? Wow, I do think you're crazy you know, but it's like to use anger as the as the response is just. It's to me, it's the reason we have wars, like it's the reason that humanity has a hard time surviving.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it feels I need to go one step further. It feels like a victim mentality to me. It feels I need to go one step further. It feels like a victim mentality to me, very much like see, we have they're picking on us again and like I have no time and space for that. Like I mean, be offended if you want to be offended, but like don't stir it up, don't fine, don't watch the Olympics, nobody's hurting for your eyes on the olympics, sorry, right right, boycott the hell of it if you want to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we all have that right.
Speaker 1:But also like yeah, just check yourself because you're gonna wreck yourself well, and it makes me go like if, if this is offensive to you you're posting on Facebook, which is maybe or maybe not run by people who believe what you believe. Yeah, so you're using a platform that you know it just like to me, it just feels real shallow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is not worth our time, so let's move on, so let's keep talking about it. Okay, I heard this phrase. I'm not going to tell you guys who said it, I'm just going to tell you the phrase and I would like to discuss. Okay, all pain is the result of the resistance to your natural self one more time.
Speaker 3:Sit with that for a minute. One more time for the rest of us all.
Speaker 2:pain is the result of the resistance to your natural self, and what that means to me is so much. First, what does it mean to you? It means that, um, I, I had this phrase once in my head of um, I don't want to be complicit in my own suffering, and I think a way to not create the suffering because I think suffering comes from attachment is what I'm learning, and so this idea that so, if I, if I backwards engineer this phrase, which is what I love to do if I choose to not be resistant to my natural self and I choose to fully, as my friend who passed away a couple years ago said, we are the gift. If I live like I am the gift, then does my pain diminish? Could my pain diminish? That's where I'm at. How's that going? Oh, I'm just at the beginning. Yeah, I mean. Yeah, it's going, it's one step at a time, but I, I found that so fascinating. Um, and then it led. It also leads me into how much our thoughts affect our internal kingdom.
Speaker 2:Yeah, wow, that's right, yeah, and um, and the same person said this you don't hold on to anything that you don't believe is for your benefit.
Speaker 1:Hmm, I mean, who was this person?
Speaker 2:Well, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:This person was very wise.
Speaker 2:So say that you are somewhere that you aren't happy with, whether that's in your marriage, it's in your job, whatever the thing is. There is an unconscious belief keeping you there. So you're in pain, you're in misery, you're in suffering, whatever that looks like physical, emotional but the reason that you stay there is you believe it's benefiting you in some way and yet it doesn't feel right. Then there's an unconscious belief that you're believing about yourself keeping you there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wow, that's. I mean, that's heavy, it is, that's huge. It reminds me of the idea of the inner critic. Yeah, you know, it's like that, you stupid whore. Yeah, exactly. It's like that, like you know, it's like that, you stupid whore. Yeah, exactly it's like that. Like there's a part of me that believes that, right, and it's like oh, wow, like that's. I don't know, that's huge.
Speaker 2:But the good news is the unconscious belief. What I'm learning is, if you bring that to the conscious conscious I can't say that word To your okay, if you bring it into reality by saying it out loud, so say that you're like, sometimes I believe that I'm a stupid. Or then it has less power, it's like anything else, right. And so if you learn to go oh, I see you there, you are there, you are there, you are, you could untangle the idea of I need, you know I'm, I feel like I need to stay here for safety.
Speaker 2:You and I were texting the other day and I was like asking you all these questions why are we this way? Why are we that?
Speaker 3:way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we both kind of came to like oh well, we believe certain things about ourselves.
Speaker 1:Right and, and I I've learned in my studies we talked about this a little bit a few weeks ago, but one of the ways toward healing is making the covert overt.
Speaker 2:Yes, I've heard that so many times you know making the unseen scene.
Speaker 1:You know, and it's like you were even advising me today before we started the podcast, when I was telling you about a relationship that I'm having a little bit of of struggle with um, you were like sometimes you just need to get it out in the open, like you just need to talk about it, and then it kind of it kind of um diffuses or disarms and it's like oh, that thing that I've been feeling so much tension around when now it's just been said yeah, and so now we can contend with that instead of what all of our imaginations are doing with it.
Speaker 1:And a friend of mine said to me one time she was doing this this practice and I loved it is when that you stupid whore, like when that voice came up, she would go you are welcome to have a seat at the table. Yeah Right, you have an opinion for some reason, and so you're welcome here. And for some reason, an opinion for some reason.
Speaker 3:And so you're welcome here.
Speaker 1:And for some reason, kat, you think you're a stupid whore. What's that about? Yeah, to like, really look at that. And it's like I think that there's a lot of wisdom in that and a lot of healing in that if we embrace it.
Speaker 2:I agree and I think you know a lot of the people that I've had the opportunity to coach are so unaware of the voices. They know I have voices, but when you actually go in and say, tell me what those voices are saying, that's a whole other level Right, and then you have to contend with those voices which is good.
Speaker 2:But so many times people will say, yeah, I have that. I do have that where I hear things, but just writing it down can decrease the power because now you have the ability to go oh, I hear you. Like you said, you can sit over here. But it's kind of like internal family systems work too, because you'll have an, you'll have something you're working on, and then another voice is criticizing what's happening and then you say, hey, can you go sit over here? I always say you can sit behind glass and watch us but you gotta just chill.
Speaker 2:Are you down for that?
Speaker 1:You know I like that it makes me think of of a song that one of my clients wrote called the stories I tell myself, and he was saying that, like the stories I tell myself the lyrics of the song are basically like is that I'm the son of an alcoholic and I'm never going to make it, and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:And he says in the song so I remind myself by thinking about Joseph, I remind myself thinking about Moses, I remind myself thinking about Jacob, I remind myself thinking about Jesus and everything that they went through. And those are the stories. Yeah, I want to kind of rewrite the stories of of what you know my belief systems are about myself, to reflect that of what God sees in me or God thinks is special in me. And I think that I think it's a concept that is really it's become kind of a a hotter topic these days, along with, like, mental health and self-help and and all of that kind of stuff. And I hope that, like, do you feel like it's helping people? Like, do you feel like people are doing this more and becoming more healthy?
Speaker 2:I think those are doing the work are, because I do think that, um, you know you're hearing those voices are purposeful. They're there to. Oh. Frankie is doing a dance.
Speaker 3:He's running in his sleep. Frankie is going come on, shake your body, baby, and he's he's gyrating my camera.
Speaker 2:In case you're watching and it was on cat.
Speaker 1:That was the rhythm of Frank.
Speaker 2:I want to take it one step further though, because, speaking of knowing yourself well, let me finish that thought before Frankie did the conga I think what's important when you, you ask those questions, I'm not gonna, I I've lost it, I've totally lost it, okay, but the the the thing I wanted to go one step further on is another thing that I've been. I heard someone say that I've and I want you guys just to think what comes to your mind first. You know I always love that it's usually what your body is telling you, but what comes easiest to you. Don't worry about if it's work, whatever, whatever, what comes easiest to you? I would love for us to answer that, and then I will explain what context I heard this in.
Speaker 1:What context I heard this in. For me, what comes easiest for me is either wanting to celebrate the good that I'm seeing come from someone else and go like you're awesome, like you did that, or whatever, or the critic why do you keep doing that thing? Why do you keep running yourself into the ground? Why do you keep like I? My? My judgment of people's behavior comes easiest to me, and so I've learned to try to manage that and to just focus on the good, be aware of the negative, you know. Oh, this person is a gossip. You probably don't need to tell them all your deepest, darkest secrets. Okay, keep that in the back of your head. But what can I celebrate about that person?
Speaker 3:You know.
Speaker 1:so like, to me it's kind of finding attributes about people and their behaviors and trying to shine a light on that. I feel like that's really shine a light on that. I feel like that's really easy for me to do. I love that. I think that's very true, oh what is yours, Sarah?
Speaker 3:I feel like I can help people, feel like I feel like I'm an anchor for people, feel like I feel like I'm an anchor for people, like I'm reliable and loyal. What does that look like? Um, just safe to approach, hopefully. I think I'm easy to approach, safe to approach, um easy to talk to. I want people to feel at ease in my company and, um, maybe, if I can anticipate or um, uh, maybe understand what they're going through, or sometimes I can, um, oh, maybe the word is intuitively see what you know maybe they're feeling I can help ease what they're experiencing.
Speaker 1:I love that.
Speaker 2:How about you, Mish? Mine is, um, I love helping people see a way through a problem. Like I love bringing perspective, Like if somebody come, you know, comes to me and is talking to me, like you know, I feel like I can see the big picture pretty quickly. And so I like the idea of being with people who want to progress, are willing to challenge things in themselves, and like I love working with people like that, even as friends, you know, like I love dreaming with people and going what else is possible?
Speaker 1:Those are my kind of people. Yeah, you're really good at that, thanks. Like I feel like, as is evidenced by things that we've started together yeah, the podcast, yeah, being one, you know, the three of us started that because you you believed we've got a thing. Yeah, like we can do a thing, right. And then we all came around it. Sarah was like you guys have this rapport. That's just amazing, and you know it is. So it's, it's really cool. It's like we talked about the whole cat and mouse thing and then cat and moose and like you like kind of it to me feels like breathe that into existence.
Speaker 2:I love that. That's like my favorite thing is like I don't want and I'm not a detail person Like I don't want to give anyone a one through 10 plan of how to do your life mission. That's for chat, GPT, you know. But I want to know what it is you care about and I want to remind you that you can bring that to life. Like that is exciting.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So this idea of what comes easiest to you. I was watching an interview and somebody that I was listening to said it's so important to pay attention to what comes easiest to you because we think things should be hard, especially in the Western culture. We think like it's gotta be a grind or it's not worth it, and yet it's not just like these are the gifts that Christ has given you. I don't mean that. I just mean like that is what, who you were created to be for other people and it's generally what we want from other people.
Speaker 3:Hmm.
Speaker 2:Is that true for you guys?
Speaker 1:Yes, that's so funny that you say that, because I my whole thing. Sorry, that really resonated.
Speaker 2:No, that's great.
Speaker 1:Like I, I really do, and I don't want people to bullshit me. I don't want people to blow sunshine at me, and that's not what I do to people. So so what I'm looking for is a genuine like cat, you do this well, yeah, like that, that, those words of encouragement. If they are genuine and if they are meaningful and not just like placating me, you know, then it's like I really do want that. I want that because then I can take that and keep doing the thing I'm doing. Right, you know, you're a great manager, you're a great podcaster, you're a great problem solver, you're a great you know healing arts practitioner.
Speaker 1:You know it's like yes, okay, then I can keep doing that, cause you believe in me you know like that feels, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's kind of like how we all want to be the artist, but we end up being the support of the artist. Is yours, true for you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think so. I mean I, I, I have heard it often, heard it said of me that I'm like a solutions person, like I, I, I can see the problems, but I don't want to just be like, hey, look, there's a problem. I want to like be like there's a problem. Here are a couple options to get through that. That. Yeah, can I help? Yeah, you know? Yeah.
Speaker 2:But are you looking for someone to be your safety and your anchor when you're that?
Speaker 3:is Well and I feel like I've often said like we're best at giving away the thing we need most.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it takes me. It takes me like years to catch up with my friends, Like I know that I'm smart, but I mean you've said that a million times and I finally get it now.
Speaker 3:Well, cause we know what it feels like, looks like, you know whatever. So we could give that away very easily, because we know exactly what that should look and feel and taste like.
Speaker 1:I just got in my head.
Speaker 2:I mean you are bringing the hymns to the podcast my utmost for his highest.
Speaker 1:Do you remember that song? Oh yeah, I do remember that record.
Speaker 2:Okay, One last thing on the. I think it's the very last link I gave you. Um, speaking of the Olympics, I wanted to show you guys a video and see if you could imagine the three of us doing this. Oh, I can't wait.
Speaker 1:Is this a synchronized diving?
Speaker 2:No, I wish but we could. I saw some people like us try and do the synchronized diving and it reminded me of us spelling out cat moose in the pool.
Speaker 1:We, we should do, we should try synchronized diving for our summer.
Speaker 2:Uh, social media extravaganza okay, let's see if I can get this going this was in the opening ceremony and I just could not stop watching it because I don't know how they did this. Okay, I'll explain what it is. It's the olympic rings and there are people running on top of them. Wait, what? How is that even possible? Wow, that's cool.
Speaker 3:That is so rad.
Speaker 2:But do they have harnesses? No, is the thing motorized? Like? How are they? I really need you guys to tell me how they're doing. They're using the laws of physics. Okay, we'll play it again and let's see okay what do you mean? The laws of physics?
Speaker 1:it's a round thing in there he's running backwards right, they're just running, which is moving it forward, yeah how would you, can you imagine us trying to do that?
Speaker 3:I would definitely not be. I would be dead. Yeah, that's so cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's very cool.
Speaker 3:Oh my God, that is very, very cool.
Speaker 1:That is a level of coordination and dexterity that I do not. I no longer have.
Speaker 2:What would you break Every?
Speaker 1:absolutely everything I feel like what would happen is I would immediately lose my balance and fall to one side and just break everything on that side, you know, like my right skull, my right shoulder, my right hip I would just go right around it and it would just roll right over me.
Speaker 2:Me too, I would get crushed by the following one, but like I am so impressed with these people, yeah, that's very impressive. I'm to do some homework and find out more.
Speaker 1:I thought you were going to say I'm going to do some training.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I might, I might. I doubt it, but I might Olympics 2028.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cat and Moose, ride the race, here we come, people.
Speaker 2:Where is 2028 Olympics?
Speaker 3:Nashville.
Speaker 2:Nashville, tennessee, people, we're going to be booking it down Broadway. Man, oh my gosh, I just I'm so afraid, yes, I'm so afraid.
Speaker 1:That thing was like 20 feet high. Yeah, it's really impressive.
Speaker 2:How did they not die? They're really talented there are some talented humans. I have been watching it over and over. I'm obsessed.
Speaker 1:Have you watched any close-ups?
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:I really need to do more research.
Speaker 1:I was going to say, surely there are interviews with these people.
Speaker 2:Like it's gotta be the ring runners. What do they have Go pros on? What would that look like? That'd be so cool. I'm going to I'll. I'll report back, yeah, okay, it was great talking to you guys.
Speaker 1:It's great I. I do want to set a little bit of a teaser for um for next week's episode. Okay, first of all, I want to say, if you like and subscribe right to our channel on youtube, that would be amazing. Like, like, subscribe, like youtube. Yeah, that helps us. And um, I would like to say that I tried to parallel. What the hell Excuse me? I tried to parallel park in East Nashville this weekend.
Speaker 3:And I popped one of my tires Are you serious?
Speaker 2:Yes, I'm so sorry. Wait, do we need to talk about that now?
Speaker 1:No, it was a tease. It's a tease oh, what a tease.
Speaker 2:Bye guys, we love you.
Speaker 1:Hey, can you play? Come on chicken buddy. Special thanks to our producer, Sarah Reed.
Speaker 2:To find out more, go to catandmoosepodcastcom. Cat and Moose is a.
Speaker 3:BP production.
