Kat and Moose Podcast
Kat and Moose Podcast is a true-life podcast exploring the quirks of being human. We bring hilarious anecdotes and thought-provoking discussions about spirituality, mental health, personal growth, bodywork, midlife, relationships, self-care, and more!
Join hosts Kat, Moose, and Producer Sara as they dive deep into various topics: spirituality, mental health, mid-life questions, relationships, bodywork, poetry, loving ourselves, and living our most authentic lives. We also sprinkle in some enneagram and five-element theory because why not? We work in the music industry in Nashville, which also gets dabbled in.
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Buc-ee’s and a Slippery Lazy River
Moose shares about an unexpected tumble from an office chair during an eye appointment.
Picture this: a family mini-vacation at Orange Beach, Alabama, turns into a comedy of errors as Kat attempts to navigate a lazy river on an inner tube, with less grace and more splashes than she intended. This leads to a discussion on ancient Roman hygiene practices that will have you both amused and grateful for modern plumbing.
We also ponder the curious American roadside phenomenon of Buc-ee's, imagining what an extraterrestrial might think of this unique pit stop.
As we drift into deeper waters, we reflect on the inevitability of death and the comfort found in spiritual continuity. Navigating family dynamics with a humorous twist from Ram Dass, we explore how these relationships shape us and how brave TikTokers walking through health journeys can prompt profound conversations about mortality.
Sharing personal stories of loss, we find solace in the belief that our loved ones continue to journey with us, perhaps even in the form of mysterious frogs. Join us as we explore the broader existence beyond our perceived reality, and other quirks of being human. 🤔
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Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast. I'm Cat and.
Speaker 2:I'm Moose. This is a true life podcast where we explore the quirks of being human. Hey Cat, hey Moose, how you doing? What's happening? What's happening, girl, hey, girl, hey, what are you up to?
Speaker 1:Well, you know, today has been a challenging work day for me today. Why Do tell Humans? Humans are challenging, you know, and I love them. I actually love I'm trying to think. There's one, there's two humans that I work with that I don't really enjoy, but for the most part, like I enjoy the people that I get to work with, and today and yesterday I was in a work conversation that had just too many cooks in the kitchen, yeah, and it's one of those where it's like everybody thinks they're right and everybody thinks they know the best thing to do and somebody's got to be in charge and I did this like what I thought was going to be kind of like a I'm going to be in charge now speech, and it completely fell flat and so, like I just got like completely steamrolled and it's like I'm just not used to that, and so it was a little bit um, challenging is the best word I have for it. But you know what it's all working out beautifully.
Speaker 2:Oh, that is frustrating when you're like, okay, nobody's taking charge, I'm going to take charge, and then they're like, no, we actually don't pick you as our leader.
Speaker 1:Right, right. Actually don't pick you as our leader, right Right.
Speaker 2:That's pretty pretty much exactly what happened. I have a story for you that happened last week that I I almost left you a voice memo but I was like I have to save it for the podcast. Um, I've been doing all of these like mid life checkups you know what I mean like mammogram and oh yeah, you know, colonoscopy and all the things. Oh fun. Yep, I turned 46 years old but I've been doing them for a few years. But I'm trying to like get back on my annual stuff because you know it's so easy to be like, when was the last time I went to the dentist?
Speaker 2:yes, yes, it's like I go to the doctor when something's wrong, not for wellness yeah, I am trying to be more preventative and so, anyway, I was at an eyeglass appointment and you know the ones who it's not lens crafter, but it's like a version of that.
Speaker 1:I won't say who it was right, yes, yes, it's a. It's a one-stop glasses shop, right yeah?
Speaker 2:Which now people don't buy. Well, I I have to buy like $300 glasses cause I need progressives now, but you know I also get ones on like Zenni for like $12, right. Yeah, so they need to know. At this point they're sort of like that. It's like the music industry when we were moving from CDs to digital, like you could be in denial up to a point.
Speaker 2:Right, right Then it's like, oh no, you have to actually convert over. So I sort of want to tell them, like, if that's an, obviously I'm being facetious here, but if that's where you're trying to really make your money is on the glasses. Like you have a very specific demo Anyone under, I feel like 50 is going to buy their stuff online. Anyway, not my point side thing. Buy their stuff online, anyway, not my point side thing. I go in to get my eyes checked on my yearly so I can get new glasses, and this fine young lady was the doctor and um, before I got to her I had this fabulous guy who, um would do like the pre stuff.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean Like, yes, check your pressure in your eye and like, yeah, give you the little numbing drops.
Speaker 2:and yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, so he had me move from one room to the other. I had to simply walk across the hallway, and so when I get into the second room, he and I are talking about something or whatever, and it was one of those like office chairs that don't have any um sides to them you know what I mean?
Speaker 3:it's just like a rolly armless, armless.
Speaker 2:So I am talking to him and telling him all about what my weekend holds and I sit down on that thing and let's just say that thing went out from under me I was flying.
Speaker 2:My feet went up in the air, I was wearing my burks and they went into the hallway. So anyone sitting in the actual waiting room who was looking down the hallway just saw two burks flying in the air. And what he said after we got done, laughing for an entire five minutes straight. He said through his laughter it was in slow motion. He goes about one second into it. You just started going and my legs just went up.
Speaker 2:And you know, I said well, you're lucky, I'm not an 80 year old woman. I would have broken both hips if I had fallen. And he said are you going to sue us? Really quietly? And I said, yes, really quietly. Good, good, awesome. So hoping that works out. Um, so which injury law firm are you going to utilize? Oh, I'm not sure, but I bet I could get something I really could. Isn't that funny? I'm just not that type of person. But it was interesting because after the fact, because of my company, this guy was like I gave him the permission to laugh. Once I got back up, he helped me up and all that and I wasn't hurt, of course, but I was laughing so hard and I looked at him and I said when are you going to laugh? And he could not stop laughing. But it was interesting, I had zero shame, I was not like my normal, like oh, fat girl fell on the floor.
Speaker 3:Look at her.
Speaker 2:Like I thought it was so funny. That's great.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I just felt like I needed to tell you about that.
Speaker 1:Well, I feel like something I was going to talk about this week kind of beautifully fits into that, of course, because that always happens. I feel like that is is a good example of you having achieved another level of healing.
Speaker 2:I think so. I was shocked at how much I wasn't embarrassed.
Speaker 1:Yes, and I think I mean that's huge and you even said it yourself. You're like like my former self, where whatever you said would say, oh, fat girl, you know, and it's like, it's like no, you can just find the joy in it, you can just find the joy in the moment and I love that.
Speaker 2:Now listen, if it was like a super skinny, pretty girl, I would have totally been embarrassed, I think. So, really, I think it has to do with the company. Like he was just seeming like a cool great guy, yeah. Well, I'm glad that you're a super skinny, skinny, pretty girl Like I don't hate you, but I just don't want to be fat around you.
Speaker 1:That's fantastic. I'm going to say that to my next skinny girlfriend that I get to see. Yeah, I just don't want to be fat around you.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's true, like every one of us who has a little chunk on the body. It is, uh well, I don't know if it's every one of us. You tell me, kat, but we have a hard time getting dressed for fancy things because of you. Yes, you are the standard, yes, and therefore we are like I can't wear that, but I have to sort of get close to it, so like it's not your fault is what I'm saying, but it's still a reality?
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, it totally is, and I was talking with my hairdresser yesterday about how I haven't bought new work clothes since before COVID. So it's been like six or seven years since I have bought myself anything to like wear.
Speaker 2:Wait a minute, covid was not in 2015. But I mean, it's been four years since COVID.
Speaker 1:It's been four years since COVID, and I think it's been at least two years before COVID that I hadn't bought myself anything. So thank you for clarifying.
Speaker 2:I just I. You know it's a math podcast. I don't want to get it wrong.
Speaker 1:Right, and if it was six or seven years ago? 2015 does not fit into that formula either.
Speaker 2:As soon as I said it, I was like I'm screwed as well.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. That's beautiful.
Speaker 2:So are you buying any now?
Speaker 1:No, no, I don't intend to, but I was just talking with my hairdresser about because she dresses really cool, and and so I asked her I was like where do you shop? Because I'm like, ok, I could shop wherever she shops and be like rock solid, you know. And she was saying TJ Maxx and Marshalls and Amazon, and she's like I hate shopping. So she's like I just, you know, I put pieces together and I wear them for years and years. And she said, and really, kat, let's be honest, if you're going to go to some nice thing and you wear something black, yeah, you do not have to be stylish, yeah, I agree, it's not like. Like you have to wear, like like this year's version of the black button up or the tank top or whatever it is. And I thought, you know, like she's got a really good point I need to just pull out all of my, all of my cocktail wear for next time. I have to do something. Anyway, that sounds really miserable. I had a fall experience this week as well.
Speaker 2:Oh, does it involve a pumpkin spice latte? It does not.
Speaker 1:Okay, good, no, I fell.
Speaker 2:Oh, a fall. I thought you meant like autumn, like you said, a fall experience. So I thought we were at a pumpkin patch. Okay, yes, no, you actually fell as well.
Speaker 1:I'm following. Yes, I fell as well. So I took a couple of days of the fall break and went on a mini vacation with my family, and so we went to Orange Beach, alabama, and we stayed at a place called the Oasis, and the Oasis has got multiple swimming pools. They have outdoor swimming pools, indoor swimming pools, they have hot tubs, they have splash pads, they have all kinds of activities for kids and adults alike, and they also sponsor our podcast. I just sounded like I was reading a commercial about them.
Speaker 1:Thank you, um. And so, anyway, I went to one of the swimming pools called the lazy river. I love a lazy river. Oh, it's so nice because, like they have these these water jets kind of in the bottom of the pool and the pool kind of snakes around like yeah, like it's kind of shaped like an S, and then it ends in this big, like three foot pool that is at the end of a big, long twisty slide. So the kids can, you know, go off the slide and the parents can just float around the lazy river, blah, blah, blah. And so I started looking at all these people and everybody was sitting in their inner tube.
Speaker 2:Oh no, you tried to be like the others, I did, I did.
Speaker 1:You tried to be like the others I did, I did, I tried to be like the others, and then my sister saw from across the way. She was like oh dear, my sister is trying to do something that she cannot do, but in your mind, you can do it right In my mind. I can totally do it.
Speaker 3:Oh, this is just like a quick hop backwards.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly, and I just have to pull it under me.
Speaker 1:Yes, I have to do a push-up, lifting all of my body weight to bring myself into this inner tube. Yes, I can do this Right, and so I tried that and miserably failed.
Speaker 1:And so then, my sister, came over to help me and we were both laughing so hard that it was like hard to make anything happen. And finally she goes just go for it. She goes, just put your butt in there, just go for it. And I was like okay, and so I did, and I'm not exactly sure what happened, but what I know is that I ended up completely under the water and I am not sure how I didn't crack my skull.
Speaker 1:I was going to say, did you hit the cement? No, I didn't, and and and I did this weird like tuck and roll, like this thing to try to protect myself, and and the water was freezing, cause it's like October and even though you're down at the beach, it's still kind of chilly at this point. And so I come up from the underworld all soaking wet, my glasses were everywhere, my bathing suit was everywhere, and this woman came up to me and her little like swimsuit cover-up, little sachet thing and she had like a martini glass in her hand and she goes sweetheart. At least that was graceful.
Speaker 2:Oh, no See, skinny pretty girls came. Oh, they got it. They got not all of them. We love you if you are one. Some of them. They got to make a point to say we saw you, don't they?
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm. And then she tried to make me feel better about it by saying it looked graceful. And I'm like there's nothing here that looks graceful, Like I, please and thank you. There's nothing here that looks graceful. So yay for falling and laughing at ourselves. I didn't do as good as you. I kind of was embarrassed and I was like, oh my God, I got to get out of the pool.
Speaker 2:Oh, I would have been embarrassed in that in that scenario too. I don't know why it wasn't, it was just like a moment in time.
Speaker 1:but of healing. Yeah, I really believe that. Why don't I just push that on you Like it's an?
Speaker 3:you have been healed. You have been healed, you stupid whore.
Speaker 2:Accept it, you stupid whore. I saw a video that really reminded me of you, not because of the content, just because it feels like something you would be interested in. So I'd love to share it with you is this the thing that you sent me this morning? Oh no, but I do need to talk about that. I do, I do, I do. Yes, okay, I mean, if there is a story that fits our demographic, it is this oh, oh, my goodness, what's happening here?
Speaker 2:Okay, here we go, here we go, here we go, here we go, here we go.
Speaker 3:A sponge on a stick was used as toilet paper in ancient Rome. Now this thing was communal and stored in public restrooms where many people would share it. After use, the sponge was supposed to be dipped in a bucket filled with salt water or vinegar to clean it. This helped disinfect it and prepare it for the next person. Once cleaned, the sponge was left in the bucket or hung to dry until needed again oh, um.
Speaker 2:so that was in ancient roman days, oh Uh-huh, but it was called a communal toilet sponge.
Speaker 1:A communal toilet sponge. Wow, and is that how the Black Plague started?
Speaker 2:It must be. I could not believe it when I saw it, but again, I'd love for you to read some of these comments.
Speaker 1:My first dude enjoyed it. Bro, really gave me an idea to open toilet business poor spongebob.
Speaker 2:Uh, you never failed to traumatize me, but I just found it very interesting because I, you know, I mean picture whether it's a stick or an actual device with a sponge on it. I guess you're just rubbing and getting the stuff off, right, yeah?
Speaker 1:I guess, I guess. So I mean, it makes me think of like a reusable baby wipe. Yeah, that's disgusting. You know, if you've ever wiped a baby's butt. You don't want to reuse that thing. No, you don't. But then again there are parents who believe in cloth diapers and they just take it, wash it and reuse it. So the Romans may have been on to something.
Speaker 2:What do you wash that out on? There has to be like a basin outside right.
Speaker 1:You mean for a baby?
Speaker 2:diaper? Yes, because it can't go in your kitchen sink.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I'm not a parent. I'm just saying, oh Lord, we need to ask our friends, who are listeners, who are parents who use cloth diapers or used cloth diapers on your babies how do you clean them?
Speaker 2:We need you to write in and tell us please.
Speaker 1:Write in and tell us so. You sent me a text this morning that I have thought about multiple times today and I'm really, really excited that we're celebrating your birthday almost a month after your birthday and as part of your birthday celebration, I have recommended that we watch this documentary together. So, your friend, tell me his name again.
Speaker 2:Well, his name is Daryl Anka. Is his name Daryl?
Speaker 1:Anka yes, so a woman has made a documentary about Daryl Anka channeling an extraterrestrial called Bashar yes, and we've talked about Bashar the past couple of episodes, and I am, I am really, really excited to watch this documentary because apparently it contains all of the wisdom that all of humankind needs to hear.
Speaker 2:Yes, and I've talked about him before. Um, but I found it so interesting that the timing of me sort of finding out about Bashar and Daryl Anka and that I was so excited that this movie is coming out, or is out, it's on, I think it's on Apple. Uh, you can watch it. Um, what's the name of it? Kat?
Speaker 1:Like hanging out with an extraterrestrial or something like that.
Speaker 2:It is something like that. Let me look Interview with the extraterrestrial and what I understand it is a documentary about Daryl Anka. But this investigative journalist actually was like, okay, I need to know if this is real or not. And she had conversations with Daryl Anka and she was amazed at how the information just flowed, like it really there was never anything that stalled him. Like it was just like the information flowed. And I saw an interview just this past week with him. Like it was just like the information flowed.
Speaker 2:And I saw an interview just this past week with him and I don't know if it was recent or if it was just on my feed and was old, but he basically said, like the teachings of Bashar really boiled down to one idea and that is be yourself Really, yeah, or bring yourself forward. And the point of that is when we do that, we begin to recognize that we are part of each other. But we also are chasing our passions in life, which I have found to be a very common thing that he brings up a lot. So anyway, if you are interested in all of that craziness, it's called interview with the extraterrestrial and it's on Apple TV. We're going to watch it soon and we'll talk about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're. We're going to watch it soon and it's going to be one question I have about the channeling of Bashar. That is a little bit hard for me and my um auditory sensory receiving obstacles, um orifices, whatever the right word is, is that when, when he channels Bashar, he always seems really angry.
Speaker 2:I know I'm with you. There's a sensitive side to me that cannot like I'll find myself scrolling and I have to keep scrolling. Yeah, it's like more aggressive, I think, than angry, but it's super direct, sometimes like if someone is like okay, but I don't understand that and sometimes he'll go. What makes you understand that almost like, um, what is that guy on star Wars that you always talk about Like Spock? No, the guy who is the wisdom guy, oh, yoda.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:It almost like it comes across like that where it turns it back into a question. You're like that's not, but also like, if you can get through that. That is my only thing too, kat is. I feel too sensitive to watch it sometimes.
Speaker 1:I do too, and I also. It kind of triggers me to evangelical preaching. You know how, like some preachers, just it's like they're so passionate about what they're talking about that I feel like they're yelling at me and that's something that I've noticed is a pattern in my life, especially with men, is that if men are passionate about whatever they're talking about, I kind of get into like a like I get, I start feeling a little bit scared or a little bit uncomfortable.
Speaker 2:I don't think what you're feeling is their passion, because your body, in my opinion this is my opinion Uh, I think what you're feeling is actual aggressive anger and that's uncomfortable because I have plenty of men in my life, and yours as well. I'm sure that can be passionate and not come across in that angry, screaming way, cause I'm with you, cannot take somebody just railing.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, that's a really, that's, I'm going to really I'm going to contemplate that. Thank you so much, moose.
Speaker 2:I do have a recommendation for you, though. You can go on his website and read like all of his teachings, if you're interested.
Speaker 1:Oh, so I can. I can hear it in the tone that I want to interpret it. Yeah, that's nice. So I can hear it in the tone that I want to interpret it yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, this whole documentary is an interview with extraterrestrial and I had a thought the other day, coming back from my short beach trip with my family, and it was this I was in Buc-ee's, oh, and if you've been to a Buc-ee's, you know that everything is branded Buc-ee's. They have pajamas, they have t-shirts, they have cups, they have lighters, they have beef jerky They've got beef jerky. They've got nuggets They've got dog leashes.
Speaker 2:They've got dresses. I mean, let's stop. And for our friends who are not in the United States or in the South, because I think that's the majority of where Buc-ee's are Explain what a Buc-ee is. Kat.
Speaker 1:Well, a Buc-ee. I didn't know what it was either until this phenomenon happened, but apparently it's a beaver with buck teeth, and so his name is Buc-ee, b-u-c, dash, e-e, b-u-c-e-e, and Bucky is like it's just the head of the beaver. That is like the logo and everything has him on it, and it's basically like a gas station had a child with Walmart and everything came out looking like Bucky yeah it's true.
Speaker 1:And it's like some of the food is really good, like their French fries are better than even better than McDonald's French fries yes, like they're so good. So there's a handful of things that Bucky's has that is really really amazing. But it is huge and it has like, if you want to get a pack of gum, you've got like a whole aisle and a half to choose from. They've got every flavor, every color, every brand. It's just a lot. It's very American, like it feels very American.
Speaker 2:And it's like a destination. So like I mean, if you're on a road trip where you want to keep moving, don't stop, Cause there's like a hundred gas station aisles and it's going to take you an hour to get in and out. Yes, there are lines.
Speaker 1:There are tons of people. I mean it's very, very crowded all the time. And so I was at Buc-ee's the other day and thinking to myself if an alien were to come to Earth and Buc-ee's was their first experience, Right, Would that be representative of our planet?
Speaker 2:It would be representative of the United States.
Speaker 1:Yes, and that's also the conclusion that I came to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm pretty sure that anyone, even just straight up Europeans that come over and see that, are like I mean they probably would think it's semi-cool. I mean it's not a dumb idea? I'll tell you that no, clearly not. You've got people that literally will route their trips to hit as many Buc-ee's as possible.
Speaker 1:Yes, so it's a spectacle. It is a spectacle and it's brilliant from a marketing standpoint because my mom and I she bought two t-shirts, we bought a sandwich, a burrito and some chicken tenders and fries and, I think, one drink and it was $77. And I'm like it's like Target you can't get out of there without dropping a hundo, and it's like if there are 300 people in the gas station at all times, can you imagine the profit that they're churning? No Pretty wild.
Speaker 2:So they actually pay really well too. I heard someone say oh, that's cool.
Speaker 1:So I've seen it on their signs Like hey, the store manager makes 125,000 a year. I I mean they've got it like on, yeah, on their signs but I'm like what do you got to do to qualify to be a bucky store manager?
Speaker 2:golly I don't know, but I'll tell you this I don't want to do it. Do you know how many people somebody's gonna have a problem? Yep and they are. It's not gonna be pretty. That's a whole different level of problem. You know what I?
Speaker 1:mean, yes, I do, and in this other thing that I'm gonna bring, that's a whole different level of problem. You know what I mean? Yes, I do, and this other thing that I'm going to bring up is also a whole different level of problem that I would really love. I would love to get your take on. So I was watching a college football game recently and one of the players on a particular football team I'm not going to name who it was had. You know how they have the black stuff under their eyes, like the black paint that I guess helps make the glare from the stadium lights Not so bad, or I don't really know what it's for, but I think it's just war paint.
Speaker 2:But so it war paint.
Speaker 1:So this guy had on war paint that was black and in white writing. Underneath his right eye it said kill, and underneath his left eye it said kill and underneath his left eye it said everyone. So it said kill everyone. Oh, I've seen this guy.
Speaker 2:Is this okay? I don't think so. I remember thinking the same thing Like wait a minute, why? Why is that Okay? Do we know why?
Speaker 1:I don't, I don't, I just to me it's like I know that, like there's the whole idea of freedom of speech and all of that kind of stuff and I don't contest that. I think freedom of speech is a wonderful affected by, by the things that you say. And I just wonder, I am curious again, I'm not saying like this is horrible, I'm more curious of like what are you trying to portray, Like what are you doing and is it okay?
Speaker 2:I agree, and it feels like it's just a little bit of attention to. I mean, here's where it comes from. It looks like. So what is? This is from Yahoo sports, by the way. So what was Williams referencing with his eye black? It likely referenced Alvin Mack and the famous football movie, the program. The 1993 movie was about several players from different backgrounds trying to cope with the pressures of playing football at a major university. And one scene in which Mac is watching film, he breaks down his defensive assignments like so Kill the quarterback. Hit the tight end so hard his girlfriend dies.
Speaker 1:Kill everybody, oh my gosh, I don't like that no.
Speaker 2:So anyway, it doesn't matter if it's from that or not. I agree, I don't want to see all that Mm-mm.
Speaker 1:Mm-mm, mm-mm. I don't want to see all that. I don't want to see all that either.
Speaker 2:Thanks for bringing that up. I feel like that I remember seeing that as well, but completely forgot about.
Speaker 1:Well, it's just been kind of like, it's just been kind of itching in the back of my memory, you know, and it's been me making me kind of go like I want to talk about this with my bestie.
Speaker 2:I want to go like hey, what do you, what do you think about this? Yeah, I don't like it at all. Okay, we had a listener share this quote with us, and it has been on my brain all day, and I would love for you to tell me what this means to you, so that I can know what it means to me.
Speaker 1:Okay, water will seek its level, nature will have free course and heart will answer to heart by William Lloyd Garrison. Hmm, so what does it mean to you?
Speaker 2:Well, I've read it a thousand times Water will seek its level, nature will have free course and heart will answer to heart, I mean to me.
Speaker 1:It says what will be will be in a lot of ways, yeah, yeah, that's kind of how I take it, because water will seek its level. Yeah, you know, like if, if water is happening up here and gravity is, you know, water is going to go down, I mean it's just that just is what's going to happen and nature will have free course. None of us can affect nature.
Speaker 2:I know I think about that all the time.
Speaker 1:Like none of us and it greatly affects us. I mean, with all this hurricane season has been horrific, horrific, and so it's basically, I think it's saying like you can't control water, you can't control nature, and also like like heart will answer to heart.
Speaker 1:It's like I just think it is very much like you you don't have control I know that's what I felt, and yet it was also kind of nice to be like, oh yeah good, I don't really want control heard the other day that absolutely cracked me up because my vacation with my family was really enjoyable, like it was really great and, as with most long-term encounters with family, there were moments of chaos and explosion and fighting and anger and all of that. And someone said to me well, you know the Ram Dass quote, don't you? And I was like what Ram Dass quote? And they said if you believe that you are enlightened, spend a week with your family.
Speaker 2:Yes, oh my gosh, I forgot about that quote. It's so true. I just spent time with my sister, adore her, went camping. I, I get it. There is like I think I text you this, isn't it amazing? Not about my sister at all. I love you, alicia. Um, but we were talking about, like, how different people can have different experiences growing up in the same family, and I, just I was like I believe our family are our first teachers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you can't get away from them, you don't really have a choice, at like six years old, to be like you're annoying. Yeah, I'm out you know yeah. You don't have that choice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't like the way you discipline me. I'm peacing out. You know it's like no, you don't get to choose. And I went and looked up the quote because I was like I'm so I'd like to know a little bit more about this and all of that. And it said this. It said the quote is often used during holidays when people may feel anxious or emotionally challenged by family dynamics.
Speaker 1:Family dynamics are often set in childhood to your point and can continue throughout life. People may feel like they're no longer the mature person they think they are when they're back with their family. And I had a few, I had a few moments where I just had to step away, like I was like I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna step away. And to your point of like our family are our first teachers. I was hanging out with my nephews and going like we're all they know. Like like I mean yes, there's school people and stuff like that're all they know. Like like I mean, yes, they're school people and stuff like that too. But it's like since infancy, we sorry guys we're your tribe yeah, exactly, you don't get to.
Speaker 2:Whether you like it or not, like, your soul picked this body and this family, so don't forget that you got to choose.
Speaker 3:That's what I believe.
Speaker 2:A lot of people say that we do choose who.
Speaker 1:You know what our, who our teachers will be? I don't, I don't remember making that choice whatsoever.
Speaker 2:I mean I guess I'm got pretty lucky, honestly.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, I think we both did yeah.
Speaker 2:Um, okay, so, speaking of our families and death, um, we didn't talk about death, but I'm going to.
Speaker 2:Um, so have I talked about the TikTok algorithm? I've been stuck in, so I am not sure why, maybe because I'm sure it has something to do with the things like Google, but I am stuck in the Tik TOK algorithm of people sharing their first symptoms before they were diagnosed with cancer. Oh, okay, so these are people who've already been diagnosed and, like, as a way to help others, they're saying, hey, just I'm not saying you have cancer if this happened to you, but, fyi, here were my first symptoms, which is super cool that they even would take the time to do that. Yeah, really. And so, as I've been like exploring all of that, um, I've just been like, so impressed with the attitudes of these folks who, many of them are, have terminal cancer and know that you know they're sometimes in their twenties and thirties and you know not that they're sharing everything on Tik TOK, but their attitude is very like I want to help others and I I want to live my last days in a beautiful way.
Speaker 1:And anyway.
Speaker 2:So because I've been stuck in this algorithm, it's just made me think a lot about death and a lot about how, as we are in our midlife, we talk about this a lot. You know, that's when you start noticeably changing, uh, your body changing. You are noticing aging and and all the different things that happen as we get older, and I think, naturally, people our age are losing their parents in some ways, or parents are sick. But also, like the big scary moments are when people our age are like being diagnosed with things that are terminal illnesses or stuff they have to fight, and so all that to say, I think, in your forties is really in my, my experience is when I have started going like, okay, what is this whole idea of like death being a part of life?
Speaker 2:You hear that phrase all the time like, well, it's just a part of life and it's like, well, that's cute and all until it's somebody you really care about and then it's, you know, super hard, and so anyway, I I have been exploring this idea of like what if we take and again, I'm not saying it's not going to be hard when people we love die, but how do you really believe that like it is a part of. I need to embrace that that is coming. Have you had any experiences with that of like thinking about death more? This is going to be a top rated episode.
Speaker 1:Yes, I think this is going to be one where people are like that was really hilarious. Bye, never listening again. I don't. I mean I I obviously have had experiences with death of people close to me. You know, my dad passed away, I've had relatives pass away, I've had dogs pass away, I've had friends pass away, and so so I don't know that my attitude about it has really those things still have hurt. Yeah, it's not like the older I get, oh well, that doesn't really hurt anymore because death is a part of life. Like, I don't subscribe to that.
Speaker 1:And I was telling my mom the other day um, when we got home from our trip, um, I was getting a sweatshirt out of my closet because it's starting to get really chilly and I'm loving the fall weather.
Speaker 1:And and when I pulled the sweatshirt out of my closet, the sweatshirt that was hanging right next to it, um, belonged to our friend, steve Strout. Oh, yeah, and it was a blue angels under armor sweatshirt that that his wife, when she was going through his clothes after he passed, she was like I really think that this should belong to Kat, you know, because I love the Blue Angels. You know I like sporty looking stuff, the whole nine yards and I loved Steve, you know. So she gave me that sweatshirt and I said to my mom, I said, you know, I said I don't feel like anybody really prepared me for friends my age dying yeah Right, I agree. And she said, kat, she goes me either, and she works for a senior center, so she's working with elderly people and so she's going to a funeral sometimes more than once a week, you know and it's like how in the world are we supposed to cope with this?
Speaker 1:And I really, I really don't know. I mean, I agree with the philosophy death is a part of life, just like the quote you read a little while ago, like nature's going to do what nature's going to do. So, whether you like it or not, whether it's comfortable or not, like nature's going to do what nature does. I don't know that, at least for me, that that makes me feel any better about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I don't. I don't either Like I. I definitely think that those feelings are still there. I think the piece that is brings me somewhat comfort is I've really come to believe that we are spiritual beings, really come to believe that we are spiritual beings and, like, I never really understood what that was until I feel, like the past year, where I'm like, oh, that makes complete sense. I don't know what changed for me, but it just makes sense now. And so for me. I used to have this fear and I used to like, pray to God, like, please, let me meet the people that are in my life I'm close to again in another life, like I would love to have those same connections. And the more I read and the more I explore, I think we do.
Speaker 2:Like actually I've read often those people are still in your orbit in different ways, like you could be my kid in my next life, which I would love, I would love, I would spank the crap out of you, not in a dirty way, just in like a mother child way, um, cause you would be so mouthy, I bet. Anyway, I, that's my only hope. It gives me a little bit of hope is this idea of like this isn't the last time we're all going to be hanging out. You know Cause? I mean speaking of our friend Steve. You know we had this super cool supernatural thing that happened after he passed, where we had this encounter with a frog, and I continue to have frogs show up on my back patio. I, uh, his wife will send me pictures of frogs that are around their house. Like Steve had no connection to anything about a frog while he was alive, but I know in my soul that is Steve showing up and being like hey, I didn't have enough energy to be a ghost, but here, I am boo.
Speaker 1:Well, it's like we talked about last week about the angels, that that only a special type of angel has the ability to move into the physical realm, you know, to like, show up, like as a physical being, and it's like it to me it there's got to be a connection with steven frogs like we don't know what it is, but like. But he does, they do, and like. There's something. There is something really beautiful about that. I would agree.
Speaker 2:I remember you and I bought um his family a gift card to this place before we left, after he passed away, just as a way to make sure they had meals and stuff, and even the logo on this restaurant had a frog.
Speaker 3:I could see it in my mind's eye and it's like it's just so bizarre.
Speaker 2:And yet everything about me, if I'm like rooted and feel like I'm in a good, peaceful place because, yeah, that's totally Steve Like I don't know why say that this is actually the dream, huh, what we're in right now is the dream, wow.
Speaker 2:And the spiritual place we are is the real thing, and I've only experienced that under ketamine therapy, but I have experienced it where you just take a deep breath and you're like, oh my, it's like you just zoom out a million miles and you're like, oh, like you want to pat yourself on the head and be like I know you owe taxes, but it is going to be okay.
Speaker 1:It is going to be okay. Yeah, and I've heard, I've heard people talk about um, psychedelic medicine, that way that it's like there's something about it that reveals kind of the truth of, of kind of who we are as spiritual beings, having a human experience. You know, and, um, and, and I, just I, I that brings me hope, I'm with you, like to think that it's like, oh, all this is like working together in some sort of micro macrocosm that all makes sense, Like awesome.
Speaker 1:I just want to steward it really well and I don't want my back to hurt Like after I've slept in a foreign bed for a couple of days.
Speaker 2:I totally agree. So we'll. We'll end with this amazing quote again water will seek its level, nature will have free course and heart will answer to heart.
Speaker 1:I'm going to ask your heart a question from my heart, please. Okay, I just did oh without speaking. My heart spoke.
Speaker 2:Okay, let me answer. Yes, I am excited about having dinner on Friday night for my birthday. I don't think that quote's accurate.
Speaker 1:Yes, I am excited about having dinner on Friday night for my birthday. I don't think that quote's accurate.
Speaker 2:What did you send to me? I said I hope you know that I love you. I see it was similar. I love you too, you little stinker.
Speaker 1:Love you guys.
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