Dimly Lit and a Dinner Party

What happens when you step off the beaten path? Producer Sara shares her tales of exploring the immaculate landscapes of New Zealand and Australia, and experiencing the local culture. Her adventures bring stories of flat whites, bustling coffee scenes, and the joy of solo exploration, all while battling the familiar foe of jet lag. Sara's journey reminds us of the simple pleasures in unexpected places and the thrill of wandering through unknown streets.

Shifting gears, we dive into personal transformations and life's unpredictable twists. From experimenting with new health treatments to humorous reflections on self-talk, our conversation takes us through the significance of self-care, gratitude, and personal growth. A curious tale of a kayaker in Wisconsin who faked his death adds a touch of intrigue and sparks reflections on escape and reinvention. This episode invites you to ponder the importance of self-kindness and the humor woven into life's unpredictable tapestry.

As we imagine a cosmic dinner party with fascinating guests like the founder of Jin Shin Do, Brandi Carlile, and Mary Oliver, we explore hypothetical scenarios that lead us from mere survival to a fully-lived life. Through laughter and personal anecdotes, we reflect on the joy of new beginnings and the art of savoring each moment, whether sharing pasta from a cheese wheel or finding solace in a familiar song. 

Chapters

• 0:04 Exploring Human Quirks and Comfort
• 12:16 Life Changes and Personal Musings
• 26:22 Cosmic Dinner Discussions
• 36:52 Living Beyond Surviving
• 41:42 Excitement for New Beginnings

Transcript

Speaker 1 0:04

Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast. I'm Cat and.

Speaker 2 0:06

I'm Moose. This is a true life podcast where we explore the quirks of being human. Hey Cat, hey Moose, hey Sarah, hi, sarah's back.

Speaker 1 0:21

Welcome back. I am going to assume that I know the minds of our listeners, and they have really missed you.

Speaker 3 0:31

Oh, that's sweet. I've actually really missed being here and being like a voice here. I think I was on the last one, but nope.

Speaker 2 0:40

Definitely not.

Speaker 3 0:40

Nope.

Speaker 4 0:41

Nope, I was in.

Speaker 2 0:42

Australia? I don't think so.

Speaker 1 0:42

But, you edited it. I did Edited it. Yeah, edited it, I was in.

Speaker 3 0:44

Australia? I don't think so, but you edited it. I did Edited it.

Speaker 1 0:47

You edited it very fast.

Speaker 3 0:48

We did one and then we didn't release it.

Speaker 2 0:52

That was the one before.

Speaker 4 0:53

And I was on that and then no one got to hear me Patrons did.

Speaker 3 0:57

Oh, patrons did.

Speaker 2 0:58

It's just interesting.

Speaker 1 0:59

The weeks that you're not here, because I'm such an analytical, technical person I watch like a Hawk our listenership. It's not true, but if I were, I could almost guarantee you that the weeks that you were not on, all of our listeners left like they were just leave.

Speaker 2 1:20

They did miss you.

Speaker 3 1:21

Well, I appreciate that I missed. I've missed all of you.

Speaker 2 1:25

What are your top three things from your trip overseas?

Speaker 3 1:30

Um, I got to go to New Zealand and Australia for two and a half weeks, um, as part of a tour and it was so fun. Uh, I was so very impressed by both countries. Um, I thought they were incredibly clean, or or at least the parts of the towns I was in. You know, of course, we were in metro, which can get very dirty, and a lot of the places there were a couple in particular that reminded me of San Francisco and then another that reminded me of New York and the trash and like just dirty concrete, like it didn't exist there.

Speaker 3 2:05

You know, those like cleaners that'll go like pass you by on Kroger, like just like mopping the floor and they kind of have like a squeegee in the back end. Yeah, they're cleaning their sidewalks with those. Wow, like it is so clean there and I was just like I felt like the country was literally in the future, but also like they felt just so advanced and we had a couple other local personnel that toured with us throughout and so it was fun to get to know them, just like on a personal level, and I was able to say you know, these are some things I've noticed and they're like, well, we've had, like we're such a new country, we've had time to, we've been able to observe how it's been done and and you know, uh, how to do infrastructure, how to do you know whatever and um, anyway, it just from like a visual side, you could really like see that.

Speaker 1 2:52

It was just very evident I find it so fascinating and so encouraging. Inspiring when I see humans observing things and then making things better. Yeah, like that. Just that to me is so inspirational and it's like it's how we got from Stonehenge to skyscrapers. You know, it's like we've just kind of evolved as a society and technology and all of that, and it's like getting to experience it real time like that I bet that was really cool. It was cool.

Speaker 3 3:21

And you know it's all like like I mean, I wasn't going to a third world country, obviously, like they're very well advanced and everything, and so it was like the stuff that we're used to here um just felt like a notch better, you know, a notch up, I don't know anyway. Um, so that I was actually did not see any animals. I saw lots of birds. They were really cool birds, really amazing and funny birds, but I opted out on the zoo trip. Everybody got to go to Sea Verbon Zoo, oh cool, and it was just a day that was like in the 90s and super humid and I was like it's going to be fun.

Speaker 3 4:01

But I also am like just going to take care of myself and like have a day off. And that was actually the day that I was supposed to be editing that one episode and we ended up scrapping it and I got like the whole day off. It was so fun. So I ended up just wandering around and like that was just like fun. It was fun. I like traveling solo and it's fun to just go explore and like do things on my own and just like have four or five, six hours to just wander and I loved it.

Speaker 1 4:30

Yeah, I really had so much fun. Is there anything memorable about anything that you ate or drank Everything.

Speaker 3 4:38

Their beer scene is phenomenal. They have got it going on as far as draft beers and coffees and nuts. There. They don't even really have Starbucks. There's like four or five you know in the whole country Like and so, um, I had flat whites just all day long and um, yeah, everything's just kind of like espresso drinks. They don't like I. It was funny. I was trying to order, um, like what we would get here, like one of those you know, kind of gallon of of drip coffee from Starbucks, if you're trying to. You know, serve 10, 15 people and I was trying to explain that to somebody and they were like a gallon, like they were just so shocked that we would do that Of course they don't do drip coffee Like it's.

Speaker 3 5:25

If you want that, you're getting an Americano, or you know. Anyway, well, welcome back.

Speaker 1 5:30

Thank you, thank you, guys, it's really really nice Welcome.

Speaker 3 5:33

Still got like a whole bunch of jet lag. I feel like I don't even know what time it is right now, but I feel like between like two and five o'clock.

Speaker 1 5:40

You're like I'm gonna die if I don't lay down. Look at what we did there.

Speaker 2 5:50

Okay, let's talk about postino postino.

Speaker 1 5:53

Yes, let's talk about postino. We are going to an early dinner tonight. We are.

Speaker 3 5:57

We are now senior citizens, uh this is not news to our listeners.

Speaker 2 6:03

No, it is not we are senior citizens and uh, I found this new restaurant in 12 South area of Nashville called Postino 12 South and, by the way, they have locations in lots of cities, so check it out but they have like charcuterie boards and wine and all these little small bites and tapas and we we were fighting about is it fancy, right? Which is always sort of a question that we ask when we are going out. Well, I ask because I never want to be underdressed, right, right?

Speaker 1 6:42

That's always been a thing.

Speaker 2 6:43

It's. I mean, you have known me for 8 million years and, like I melt down sometimes when I can't find the right thing to wear. Yeah, so we look at the pictures and I say to you, what are you wearing? And you said this, and I said okay, and you go, what it's not fancy? And I said I have seen videos on their Instagram and it feels a little bit there's dark, it's darkly lit, wait, dimly lit.

Speaker 1 7:14

It's dimly lit. It's dimly lit, so am I.

Speaker 2 7:18

Well, it's dim and candle lit is actually what it is, and to me that meant oh no, what am I going to wear? I can't just wear like a t-shirt, and you said something that I thought was fantastic. Would you share what that was?

Speaker 1 7:35

Yes, I said that I. I am not going to change anything I'm wearing except for my shirt, and I'm going to change from a t-shirt to a V-neck. Yeah, yeah, you are.

Speaker 2 7:45

And I, I love this, that at this point in our lives, and I love this At this point in our lives, from crew neck to V-neck. That's the jump.

Speaker 1 8:11

Yeah, it's really going from day to night, like we're not changing lipstick color, we're not switching perfumes that are smokier. No, we're going from crew neck to v-neck because in my most comfortable being like, when I feel the most comfortable wearing clothes on this planet, I'm wearing the outfit that I have on right now. I'm wearing tennis shoes that are very sturdy, I'm wearing some little socks that are very comfy and, um, my little James Purse pants in a t-shirt, like that's just how I like to dress and the cat fit. That's the cat fit. Yeah, and and it's neither here nor there, I'm not trying to make a statement, I'm just trying to enjoy. What does it feel like in my body to be dressed the way? That is the most comfortable yeah.

Speaker 1 8:42

And so, in order to give a little bit of effort to Postino and its other constituents, I I am willing to sacrifice and change my crew neck to a V-neck, and that's as far as I'm going to go.

Speaker 2 8:55

I like it Again. This is about being ourselves. Yes, and that's the thing, right Is I want I'm also. I don't want to sit there with super tight jeans around my belly where I can't have another piece of bread and some more olives I want to make room.

Speaker 1 9:14

Yeah, and, and, and I feel like my the point that I made was pretty spot on, I think, and going like the nicest thing on their menu is a sandwich sandwich. But I mean, like really they have in that I think they call it crostini's like a toasted piece of bread. Yeah, so it's basically a sandwich shop.

Speaker 2 9:39

I don't. I think it, yeah. So I think it's supposed to be snacky and whiny, and but I think, as the, as the as the sun sets.

Speaker 1 9:50

Which happens at 445 now.

Speaker 2 9:52

Yeah, like is there an expectation? Is it really the question? Like, do I need a smoky eye to go into Postino?

Speaker 3 10:00

Yeah, yeah, no, no, no no no.

Speaker 1 10:04

I think the answer is no Okay, and I think that for you, the answer might be yes.

Speaker 3 10:09

Ooh, that might feel better for you, the answer might be yes, that might feel better for you and your body.

Speaker 1 10:13

Like I would be curious, like when you think about how do I have the least amount of anxiety going into Postini, is that because you feel really good about how?

Speaker 2 10:22

you're dressed. I love that it's now called Crustini. She said Postini. Oh man, this is getting good y'all, Isn't it it? It is postini. I thought it was post up stano well, I who knows.

Speaker 1 10:40

We'll have to ask the people who work there how do? You? How do you say the name I've got it right of your shitty restaurant? It's post Postino.

Speaker 2 10:48

Oh, you said Postini, which is great Cause it's like martini Maybe that's what's on my mind, or crostini, crostini.

Speaker 1 10:59

Moving along. Okay, how are your hundred days of being your most authentic self going?

Speaker 2 11:06

Well, thanks for asking. I don't know exactly what day it is, but it's going very well. I have. I'm just questioning everything in a positive way. I'm going oh, look at that, I was supposed to go have drinks with a friend and kind of catch up and I knew by like 10, I wasn't going to be able to pull it together and I had showered, I. I looked, okay, it was nothing to do with that, it was just I. I just couldn't do it, and so I was just honest with that person and said for mental health reasons, I may need to reschedule. And that person was very kind, and so I'm just trying to put action to what it is that I need.

Life Changes and Personal Musings

Speaker 1 12:03

Yeah, Good for you. That's awesome. How are you? I'm doing okay. I um was really. I was really impacted by something that you did for me this week. Let's tell everyone, let's tell the world. Is that okay with you?

Speaker 1 12:20

Yeah, I was talking about some changes that I am implementing in my life.

Speaker 1 12:28

I'm about to undergo a new treatment. It's called PRP, it's called plasma rich protein, protein rich plasma I think is actually what it is, and it is something that is going to potentially help my foot heal, and I've been looking for anything that is not surgery to help my foot heal, and so they basically take your body's plasma and they inject it in different areas of the foot and that helps the foot heal. It's kind of like giving the foot like a super green drink or something like that, and so, in order for that to work, there are a handful of things that I need to do to promote healing best, and that is not drinking alcohol, that is not using all of my favorite CBD oils that I use, and that is, um, you know, just changing some of my day to day habits, like my eating habits. It's very, very helpful, um, in general, but also with this treatment, to eat plant-based and I'd like to get a fried chicken sandwich from McDonald's. You know sandwich sandwich, and so you like McDonald's if you're going to choose fried chicken, yeah.

Speaker 1 13:39

Well, I mean, if I'm going to choose fried chicken, I'd choose Popeye's, but the fried chicken sandwich from McDonald's is my favorite. And so all of that to say is, I was kind of processing some of that with you and I was being really hard on myself and you were like, um, I would like you to listen to this. You said I have a song for you, and so I clicked and listened and I thought it would be some, like you know, alicia Keys or something like really, but I mean something like really kind of sophisticated and and and it was a ccm song, yeah, yeah, yeah. And and, which is awesome. I love the genre that we work in. Yeah, and in my real life, I don't really have anybody sending me christian music songs to encourage me like, that's just not, it is rare for me to do?

Speaker 1 14:30

Yeah, and so I listened to the song and I was like I wrote you back and I said, oh my God, did you actually send me a Christian music song to encourage me? Yeah, and you said yes.

Speaker 1 14:42

Well, because the message of the song is so good. It's so good and the message is to be kind to yourself, to yourself, and it's basically saying like, if god can be kind to you, I think you can be kind to you, right, and what a fantastic concept it's like. If the creator of the universe can treat me with kindness, who am I to treat myself unkindly, you know, and it really it made a really big impact on me, so much so that, like my paper, what if you were?

Speaker 2 15:16

like pull up your shirt. I got a tattoo.

Speaker 1 15:19

I got a tattoo on my navel that says please be kind to me. But I said be kind to yourself Like it's even it's like on my podcast notes this week. So I just really wanted to thank you, not only for our coaching session, also for, um, your encouragement for me to be kind to myself, so much so that I was in class the other night and we were leaving the building and I had locked a door that didn't need to be locked yet, and so I said to my friend I was like, oh my gosh, this smart, wonderful, beautiful, fantastic woman has forgotten your keys to unlock the door. And he said to me he said I really appreciate how you spoke about yourself.

Speaker 4 16:02

Cause.

Speaker 2 16:02

I chose to speak about myself in a way that was not derogatory, so that's great, yeah, so, speaking of pulling back on the alcohol and all the things, when does this protocol begin? Tomorrow, okay, yeah, tomorrow. So we're going to get crazy.

Speaker 1 16:19

We're going to get nuts and postino in our V-necks.

Speaker 3 16:25

I'm suddenly worried. There's not going to be enough food to eat at this place.

Speaker 2 16:29

Oh, no, no, no, just like sandwich boards Pretty much. Wait a minute. I said I haven't looked at the menu. I saw the place, it looked good and you wrote back. Kat, you said the menu looks amazing and it does.

Speaker 4 16:46

And.

Speaker 2 16:46

I had you wine drinkers in mind at this place.

Speaker 1 16:50

Well, one of the things, wineos. Yeah, one of the things that they said is they said we celebrate wine for the sacred moments and the casual moments of life.

Speaker 2 17:00

Which basically means, if you're an alcoholic, come here. No, no, you don't actually, that's not how I took it. But okay, you don't actually need any reason to drink. Come here, we'll celebrate it all with you.

Speaker 3 17:13

Yeah, that's fair, fair enough, I mean, that's also the airport's rules.

Speaker 2 17:18

I mean, AI wrote that really well.

Speaker 1 17:22

Postino, postino, postino. You and your AI assistant did great.

Speaker 2 17:30

Okay, did you guys hear about this kayaker in Wisconsin?

Speaker 1 17:34

Yeah, the guy that faked his own.

Speaker 3 17:36

Yeah, I saw that yeah.

Speaker 2 17:38

What in the world? I've watched a bunch of news clips about this and I want to like yell at every reporter because they're like oh, so you know, know, he went, and now he's in eastern europe potentially, and faked his own death. But there's two questions I have. Number one why? Like nobody is talking about why, right, and every article I can find simply says, um, he had personal reasons. And I'm like so do I?

Speaker 1 18:09

right, I've got lots of personal reasons a lot of personal reasons to completely fake my own dad.

Speaker 2 18:15

Me too, right wait yes okay, go and then, secondly, my question is they talked about how he went, rode his e-bike, flipped the canoe, got rid of the phone, rode his e-bike to madison and then made his way to canada. But how did he get from canada to eastern europe? Like? Is he on? Like a barge ship? Like nobody's filling in that gap for me either, because he probably wouldn't be allowed to fly, would he? And I don't?

Speaker 1 18:45

know that anybody would know Like let's just, let's just say, let's, let's fake my death right now.

Speaker 1 18:52

So let's say that I start now faking my death. So I get on my e-bike and I go to Percy Priest and I get in a kayak and I take my phone in the kayak and I paddle, paddle, paddle, paddle, paddle and I flip it over and I swim out and I make it look like I drowned. And then I get on the e-bike and I drive to canada I mean, I've still got my driver's license, my passport, my, my, everything, like I bet he, I bet nobody knew anything was wrong when he well, that's true.

Speaker 2 19:23

When he got to canada, they said now they can look back and see that they did, but maybe he already had the flight booked. Yeah, I think he did, but then why can't they find him? So, anyway, have you seen that he's done videos where he's saying this is my proof of life? I am alive.

Speaker 3 19:43

I haven't seen that part. What's funny is the only thing. I only way I knew about it. I was in Australia when all this went down and I I think a video came across my Instagram feed and it was like a video of somebody interviewing him. It was like I don't know if it was like in LA or something, but this was like. I think it was like a year prior to all of this happening and he was asking this person who was maybe like someone who could tell the future, or something like this oh, it was like it was like, think, like on one of the beach fronts and people are like roller skating by and like that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 20:20

He's like on a bike and someone he asks questions about, like faking your own death or like getting moving moving to another country and like it was like this whole thing and this was all on video a year prior and I'm like what is this about?

Speaker 2 20:34

that's how I was introduced to the story so wait, he was asking who about these things it was almost like he stopped at this.

Speaker 3 20:41

um, it was like a let's call her a fortune teller that was working on the beach at in la and he was riding his bike by and stopped and asked can you tell me the truth? Like if I did this, does it? It was like, and that was on video Huh, I have to pull it up.

Speaker 1 20:58

Yeah, I'm probably just talking myself into a hole right now. It sounds very much like when I think of Venice beach.

Speaker 3 21:04

Yeah, that's what I think.

Speaker 1 21:06

I think of like the the drum people and I think of like yeah, that feels very possible on Venice beach that it's like hey, you look like a cool know it all lady. Let me ask you about your opinion about this thing.

Speaker 3 21:19

So yeah, I don't think you're you're talking to yourself in a whole. I wish I could remember it clearly, but he seemed to maybe have maybe someone over in Europe or in Asia, wherever he is, um help him that he wants to be with, like I think he was trying to like.

Speaker 2 21:35

I don't understand why you can't just go to Eastern Europe.

Speaker 3 21:38

Why not just tell your person hey, I'm not in love with you anymore? This is going to be really hard. I'm in love with someone else, I'm moving, it just seems why don't we have that conversation?

Speaker 2 21:52

yeah, well, he did do a life insurance policy, so geez. But who? Who, like we, should be able to find the beneficiary right, so we don't know any of that. He, I do know there's like a bank account that is over there that they're trying to get wire fraud and, uh, you know, insurance fraud and things like that against him, but he's not telling anyone where he is.

Speaker 1 22:13

And I'm curious, like I'm not talking ethically or morally Legally, what did he do wrong?

Speaker 2 22:19

He didn't. Okay, like they're saying, they don't have a criminal reason. Yeah, I found it Okay.

Speaker 4 22:26

This morning, video on social media featuring a man who resembles a father of three who allegedly faked his own death is now under investigation by authorities in Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 22:39

Should I go to?

Speaker 4 22:39

Uzbekistan or stay here. Say that one more time. Content creator Bailey Boomhauer says she shot the video in San Diego in June. She recently alerted police that the man looks similar to Ryan Borgwart, the married father reported missing while kayaking in Wisconsin back in August. Boomhauer remembered the interaction as bizarre.

Speaker 3 22:59

I've never even heard of that place before. So it's just a very like odd parallel that the man that's missing is also connected to Uzbekistan.

Speaker 4 23:09

Last week the sheriff of Green Lake County, wisconsin, announced that Borgward was never actually missing. He says evidence shows Borgward had planned his disappearance in order to escape to Europe and meet a woman from Uzbekistan. Investigators say they uncovered the alleged scheme after learning that Canadian law enforcement had checked Borgwardt's name the day after his disappearance. They say he had taken out a $375,000 life insurance policy, moved money to a foreign bank and had replaced his computer's hard drive. Why do you want to go?

Speaker 1 23:41

Meet a woman.

Speaker 3 23:42

So you've given up on meeting someone here.

Speaker 1 23:45

No, I'm married.

Speaker 4 23:46

Authorities are not saying that Borgwardt is the man in that social media video, but they do say they're investigating the video.

Speaker 1 23:54

Do you keep hearing Hogwarts? Yeah?

Speaker 2 23:58

Yes, I do Also. He's got kids like yeah. I don't care, I don't think they're adults based on his age, but if they are like, what are you do? Like, why not just get a visa and move to another country? Just be honest people like it could. It could solve so much yeah and I think it's quite douchey or assholey that you're sending a video going see, I'm here, because that feels a little bit like see, I did it you're right, I did it.

Speaker 1 24:26

Yeah, have I have hosed you Right? Well, here's the deal, george.

Speaker 2 24:32

Yeah, what's his name? I don't know. Let's call him Randy.

Speaker 3 24:36

Yeah.

Speaker 2 24:36

Bogwarts.

Speaker 1 24:37

Here's the thing. Bogwart, I hope you're happy, I don't.

Speaker 3 24:43

Well, I mean.

Speaker 1 24:50

I just might okay. Well, maybe I don't hope that he's happy.

Speaker 2 24:51

I just don't like to me this has taken up a lot of space right now, yes, oh, you don't want to talk about it.

Speaker 1 24:54

No, I don't. Well, I mean, yes, I want to talk about it, but I'm just saying like it's been all over the news like we're having a conversation about it now and it's like dude, like all right, I hope I guess what I'm saying, I don't. I don't hope he's happy, I hope. I hope that you're getting something out of this. I know, I agree that's what it feels like, because it feels like a yeah, yeah, like some guy that's like look what I did I.

Speaker 2 25:17

I, you're right, I did figure this out. Yeah, I'm going to get arrested, though, bro, I think Unless Doesn't have whatever the words are, like diplomatic immunity or something like that. Yeah, those words.

Speaker 1 25:30

Yeah, Well, it makes me think of the way that I'm feeling about this. It makes me think of my Aunt Mary Mac, and we love Aunt Mary Mac. Aunt Mary Mac is so awesome and I mean she is like the best, Like she's great, and I believe that you know, Taoist philosophy says that you are a quarter your mom, a quarter your dad and then 50% the Tao, like God, is like what you're comprised of. I think that I am 25% my mom, 25% my dad, about 15% Mary Mac, and then the rest God.

Speaker 2 26:07

Yeah, I could see that. Okay, so like.

Speaker 1 26:08

I feel like Mary Mac like is in my veins, she's just part of my please do her voice as you channel her.

Speaker 2 26:16

I will, okay, I will.

Speaker 1 26:18

Um, and it's going to be loud.

Cosmic Dinner Discussions

Speaker 4 26:20

So expect expect that.

Speaker 1 26:22

So years and years ago, my first dog that I owned, like as an adult, like living away from home as an adult, was my beagle Molly Pig. Yes, and Molly Pig has a whole language of her own, that that she and I together developed with the Dow and and. And one of the things that I would say when I was away from Molly Pig and it was just kind of a thing that I did that like my family was kind of used to is I would say, I wonder what Molly Pig's doing right now. And so I was at Mary Max one day without, obviously, molly Pig, and I said, well, I wonder what Molly Pig's doing, right, who cares?

Speaker 2 27:11

in that, loud voice yeah I mean, I channeled exact.

Speaker 1 27:15

I mean I even let my neck get tight, like I see her do and I might have a tear, you know I mean, it's like just on the edge of glory. Yes, yes, who cares? And?

Speaker 2 27:25

so did you laugh or were you offended that she might not care?

Speaker 1 27:30

yes, all of it I was like you're the devil, yeah. And then I was also like that's fucking awesome yeah, because she was living in her truth. Who cares about your damn dog? Right, you know, like who cares? Why are we sitting here here talking about Molly Pig and so um so anyway. So in in my um journaling time, lately that has just been resurfacing itself, so like I'll be thinking or talking about something or writing about something and I'll just go who cares?

Speaker 4 28:02

Because it seems so like it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 28:05

And in what I have found is that I think this is a part of my healing, because what's in my head is who cares? Yeah, and there's this voice that goes.

Speaker 1 28:18

I do. Oh, that's good, I do, yeah, and that feels like a real victory to me because I have felt like ever since I had that moment, that that who cares is kind of that inner critic that like shut up, you're so stupid, like that whole thing who cares? And to the point that it's funny, you know, like now. Now in my family we say it all the time we go who cares?

Speaker 4 28:40

You know it's great.

Speaker 1 28:43

And I have just really appreciated like this voice from within me that has said I do yeah.

Speaker 4 28:50

I do.

Speaker 1 28:50

It feels really important on my, on my healing adventure that I'm on.

Speaker 2 28:56

And probably when Mary Mac said that you wanted to say I do, I do.

Speaker 1 29:01

Yeah, but I mean, back then I was just like you know like I don't know what to do with my hands. Um, this, really this really awesome powerful, influential woman just said to me who cares. You know, it's like what did I do? But just I was stunned.

Speaker 2 29:16

That is so interesting. Who cares? Like, yeah, that would knock me in the gut. Well, that's where you go. Well, shit, you're right, I'll just shut up over here.

Speaker 3 29:26

Right, right, you just close off part of yourself it's the same concept of when someone has said to you like it doesn't matter, or you say it to yourself and you're like, well, it does, it does matter.

Speaker 1 29:37

Yeah, yeah, that's very true it does matter, because like that's so dismissive Right Like for someone to just go, Sarah, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, it does like.

Speaker 3 29:47

actually, it does like clearly how I'm feeling.

Speaker 2 29:49

It does matter, right. Yeah, that's so good. Yeah, I have some good news, you guys? Okay, okay, there is a meteor, meteorite coming towards the earth. It's not always one.

Speaker 1 30:03

It's not chiron, though, is it? Do you guys know about chiron, the asteroid? I don oh do you?

Speaker 2 30:09

yes, oh this is one that's coming on valentine's day in 2046 2046 so yeah, we got like a good 21 years. Okay, is that the right math?

Speaker 3 30:22

yeah, 21 and a half 21, 22, yeah, yeah yeah, I think that's about right.

Speaker 2 30:27

Nasa says this asteroid as wide as a football field may hit Earth, so just like the dinosaurs, you know. So in about 21 years, it may finally be time to look up. This is a USA Today article. A recently discovered asteroid over 150 feet in diameter has a chance of hitting earth on valentine's day in 2046. Can I, can I interrupt you? I'd love for you to. I know it's your favorite thing. What? Space? No, aliens, oh no, I would love for you to.

Speaker 1 31:05

So we know that this thing is 150 feet in diameter. Yeah, we know that this thing is going to make an impact on Valentine's Day, but we don't know for sure if it's going to hit the earth. Yeah, that's what I want to know, it's like 21 years away from now Like how do we know all this shit? And then go.

Speaker 2 31:25

well, I mean, but how do we know what day? Yeah, I get you, I'd call bullshit on all that. I think it's just another thing to make us crazy. But let's keep reading. While the thought of an asteroid hitting Earth may sound concerning, NASA says we shouldn't be worried. Here's what you need to know about the newly discovered asteroid. And then it goes on to fear monger. Yeah, I'm with you. Why can't they shoot this thing down or something? Do you think the aliens?

Speaker 3 31:59

are going to help. Just get like a slingshot or like build a net, right A net. What is?

Speaker 2 32:05

the Doesn't a net have holes?

Speaker 1 32:07

in it.

Speaker 3 32:09

Just put a volleyball net up there it'll be enough for it to like bounce off of a trampoline.

Speaker 2 32:14

I'm pretty sure it's made of fire and that won't bounce.

Speaker 3 32:18

It'll go through that's a good point. I was just working out some thoughts yeah I didn't mean to sound so your remedies are fantastic.

Speaker 2 32:27

I I mean, you're right, a volleyball net is a good idea.

Speaker 3 32:30

It could be made of space material, titanium, I don't know yeah.

Speaker 1 32:35

Well, it makes me think of is the Star Wars program still a thing that's happening, Star Wars?

Speaker 2 32:42

Not the movie. Did someone tell you that? No, no, no. What friend told you there's a Star wars program?

Speaker 1 32:52

program, yeah, program. So I I it it back. Like in the reagan administration or something like that, wasn't a star wars program developed. That basically was like if a nuke is coming toward the united states, we have like shit going on in space that can eliminate that.

Speaker 3 33:11

I think that was the Star Wars program. I didn't know about that.

Speaker 1 33:14

Yeah, I might be making it all up, but I don't think that.

Speaker 2 33:18

I am.

Speaker 1 33:18

We have a producer, so she's going to tell us Well, I'm just thinking you saying can't we just shoot it out of the sky, Like, don't we already have the ability to do that?

Speaker 2 33:28

I don't know as much money as You're right.

Speaker 3 33:36

What it's the Strategic Defense Initiative, SDI, also known as the Star Wars program.

Speaker 1 33:43

Yeah, Reagan, oh we got something right To protect the United States from a nuclear attack.

Speaker 3 33:49

Is it still?

Speaker 1 33:50

working.

Speaker 3 33:50

We basically just need to get one of those little arms from a ping pong.

Speaker 1 33:56

What are those? A pinball machine. Pinball machine.

Speaker 2 34:07

I mean, life sort of is like a pinball machine. It kind of is yeah, whoa didn't know I was gonna get that one.

Speaker 1 34:13

Where the hell am I going now?

Speaker 2 34:15

that lit me up big time, yeah okay, I asked you guys over text recently. I'm changing the question so that it's fresh and new for our listeners. You get to choose one person who you have never met that you are going to have dinner with you. Tell me who the person is and why, and what meal you are eating. We went from two people to one because we talked about how it could get weird, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 34:43

So in my second thing I picked Iona Teegarden. She's the founder of Gingendo, yes, and my two guests would have been the yellow emperor and his physician, so cool. And then I spent minutes, not seconds. I spent minutes worrying what if I orchestrated that Like, what if I manifested that because of your question? Oh, and you should. Would there be a translator?

Speaker 2 35:11

Oh yeah, well, just like my animals speak to me telepathically, I think you would just understand, okay yeah, okay, I got, I I got.

Speaker 1 35:21

Actually had some anxiety about have I chosen wrongly, because I'm sitting here with the yellow emperor and his physician and I can't understand what they're trying to say to me yeah, but isn't everything energetic anyway?

Speaker 2 35:33

yes, yeah, I just didn't have that perspective what would you ask the yellow emperor and his physician um?

Speaker 1 35:43

I would say I'm curious what you think about this modality that this woman has come up with and that I am a very, very, very, very, very beginner student of. What do you think of it like? Where, where do you, can you poke any holes in? Can you give me any encouragement so that as a practitioner I can do better, like I really just want to help people?

Speaker 1 36:02

Like it's kind of the end result, you know. So it's like I would just want to glean from their wisdom, yeah, and also go like how do you have fun? Like, what do you do for fun? Yeah, because, like, if we're so serious and learning and blah, blah, blah all the time, it's like that is fun. Yay, but like what do you? What is the yellow emperor do to have fun? Like, does he walk around his garden and fart Like who knows?

Speaker 2 36:26

Yeah, I hope he does too, because that is relaxing, it is very relaxing to just yeah, each step, you just let one out. Yeah, when do you get to actually do that in life? When you're alone in the garden, right in the garden, what are you having for dinner? Um, or it could be another meal asian cuisine oh fantastic, it just made sense.

Living Beyond Surviving

Speaker 1 36:47

Thank you for asking such detailed questions well you're welcome, sarah I.

Speaker 3 36:52

I feel concerned that I didn't think mine through as well as you did, it's okay, I didn't either okay I just went with.

Speaker 2 36:59

You did it's okay, I didn't either. Okay, I just went with what I mean it probably was what came first to you.

Speaker 3 37:08

Mine was the two people, because I maybe subconsciously thought, maybe that would be weird to bring two randos and then me.

Speaker 2 37:11

So I picked which would be three randos.

Speaker 3 37:14

I picked Brandy and Catherine Carlisle. Oh, that's cool. Cool just because they seem fun, yeah, and you just talk about music till your brains fall out or life, you know, yeah, they both had very interesting lives.

Speaker 2 37:30

okay, that and then I'm gonna get in your mind, guess what you think she's gonna say for her meal mine is that we need to just do this, make this happen anyway.

Speaker 3 37:41

But where they put the pasta, like in the like cheese, it's like a whole.

Speaker 2 37:48

Oh yeah, wheel of cheese, wheel of cheese.

Speaker 3 37:50

And they lay the hot pasta, they just drop the pasta in and like, mix it all up in what the hell, and then they dump it on your plate.

Speaker 1 37:59

Oh my God, it all up in what, and then they dump it on your plate oh, my god, I want to do that? Do they do this at postino? I am gonna ask for it. I do too.

Speaker 2 38:02

There might and I thought you were gonna say spaghetti, so I mean we?

Speaker 3 38:05

we both knew spaghetti.

Speaker 1 38:06

Spaghetti is the best meal in the world that's great, that's awesome, and, and who are yours?

Speaker 2 38:14

um, well, i'm'm going to choose Mary Oliver as my person and I want to have soul food. I want to have like like, not turnip greens, but what are the other things called Collard greens, with like the ham hock in it and some cornbread and some hot sauce and some fried chicken. That's good. And I want to ask Mary Oliver just so much about her life Like what, what are those big moments in your life that helped you go beyond surviving and to like living? Yeah, that's been a thing I'm seeing all the time on tiktok and instagram is like you've survived for 50 years. Now it's time to live from surviving to thriving yeah, it's like thanks.

Speaker 2 39:08

Yeah, thank you for that and I'm like I get what you're saying and I actually want to do that. So that's what, like that's an intention I'm putting out there, but it does sound very to survive or to thrive. I'm going to survive and thrive, but like what is? What does it look like to live and not just like keep your head above water?

Speaker 1 39:31

And I'm. I immediately thought what if she asked you the same thing back?

Speaker 2 39:37

Well, the real question I want to ask her. I'm being myself right now, but it was really a downer, and then I'm going back to what you're saying. Okay, the words that came to my mind were what do you do with all your pain? But, that was really heavy, but that's what I want to ask her. Well, that's a, that's huge. Yeah, what?

Speaker 1 39:56

was the question you just asked, though. Um, what would you say if she asked you the same question which? What do you do with all of your pain?

Speaker 2 40:04

Um, I would say I'm attempting to express it now. In the past I have bundled it up and tucked it in my different folds in your compartment, oh here's a little fold.

Speaker 1 40:24

Let me put that.

Speaker 2 40:25

I'm going to put that right under the right. So I'm trying to express it, but I, I would. How would you?

Speaker 1 40:37

what do you guys do with your pain Avoid?

Speaker 3 40:39

it at all costs.

Speaker 1 40:42

I feel it, you feel it.

Speaker 2 40:43

I feel I feel it. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, you guys are both really mature and I'm just like avoid it.

Speaker 1 40:46

I think you feel it oh, I feel it, you feel it, I do, I do feel it I feel it a lot more without with your new protocol. I know I know, and I think that that's gonna be really good maybe that's the point, yeah.

Speaker 2 40:57

One thing you and I talked about going back to, that of you know, for people who don't know my story, for like seven and a half years I didn't drink, I chose not to drink and I just was like I'm going to do it as long as I want to, and it may be a few weeks, it may not be, but we were talking about what do you do with your time, and that was like the biggest thing for me is I. It was around this time too. It was November that I quit, november 14th and um, and it was getting dark early and I was like what the hell am I supposed to do?

Speaker 4 41:30

and that's when I started going to sleep at like 7 30.

Excitement for New Beginnings

Speaker 1 41:34

That piece has stuck. Drink or no drink, bedtime is 8 at the latest.

Speaker 2 41:42

I think you're going to do great.

Speaker 1 41:44

I think you're going to do amazing.

Speaker 2 41:45

And I'm excited for your foot and whatever this new season teaches you.

Speaker 1 41:51

Thanks, me too.

Speaker 3 41:54

We're going to drink it up at Tostitos.

Speaker 2 41:55

I hope they've got some salsa for our chips. I hope they have some Doritos at Tostitos. I hope they've got some salsa for our chips.

Speaker 1 41:59

I hope they have some Doritos at Tostitos.

Speaker 3 42:01

I hope they have some sandwiches.

Speaker 1 42:03

We're glad to be back. Love you guys.

Speaker 2 42:05

Love you guys. Thanks for listening.

Speaker 3 42:07

Bye.

Speaker 1 42:16

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Speaker 2 42:32

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