Sneezing Energy and a Table Voice

Life gets messy when we're caught between reacting and responding, especially when faced with challenging people. In the absence of their Producer Sara (who's off enjoying South African villas), Kat dives into the world of podcast editing—complete with an impromptu meditation backed by Heart's rock anthem "I Didn't Want to Need You." This lighthearted start quickly evolves into a vulnerable exploration of how we handle difficult conversations.

Ever had to deal with someone whose ego is completely wrapped up in metrics and success? Kat and Moose unpack the delicate art of supporting creative people through their ups and downs without becoming the target of blame when things inevitably fluctuate. They share personal strategies for maintaining composure, including Kat's approach of viewing difficult adults as children having tantrums: "You're just throwing a fit right now. I'm going to let you finish your fit, you'll be exhausted, and then you'll fall asleep."

The conversation takes a fascinating turn when they connect physical experiences to emotional processing. Kat describes how a simple sneeze released pent-up negative energy, which Moose brilliantly ties to Chinese medicine concepts about seasonal transitions and the body's natural ability to "let come and let go." This leads to revelations about neuroplasticity and how our brains create pathways for coping mechanisms that remain available even after we've moved on—"It's not like the pathway gets erased."

Between profound insights, the hosts share hilarious stories about flipping off Teslas, Amy Poehler's perfect response to being called "the poor man's Tina Fey," and mysterious childhood memories of abandoned buildings. These raw, unfiltered moments remind us we're all just humans trying to navigate life's complexities, sometimes as our adult selves and sometimes as the six-year-olds inside us who decided long ago they needed to take charge.

Listen now to find your own balance between reacting and responding as we explore the quirks of being human together.

Transcript

Learning to Edit the Podcast

Speaker 1 0:04

Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast. I'm Cat and I'm Moose.

Speaker 2 0:09

This is a true life podcast where we explore the quirks of being human.

Speaker 1 0:16

Hey Cat, hey Moose, hey Sarah, she's in South Africa without us. Oh, just hanging out in South Africa. What in the world, producer, sarah, are you doing in South Africa?

Speaker 2 0:29

That's a great question. Um, she went to some fancy place over there. She sent me pictures and it was like an Italian villa.

Speaker 1 0:38

Ooh.

Speaker 2 0:39

I was like I think you're in heaven. It was like so pretty, Ooh, how nice, Okay. So uh, with Sarah being out a bunch lately, you have been talking for seven years about how you want to learn how to edit.

Speaker 1 0:53

Yes, all seven years that we've been doing the podcast, yeah.

Speaker 2 0:58

And now you're learning and you started to tell me about it and I was like, no, no, we gotta hit record, so please tell us all how that is going.

Speaker 1 1:07

Yeah, so um, I decided to take a couple of tutorials, okay, and to attempt to learn how to edit the podcast for times when Sarah's in South Africa, because we could have planned that right and so, um, so anyway. So I was having a self-teaching moment, um, over the weekend, this past weekend, and I was learning how to edit by. I did a grounding meditation, okay, kind of one of those like if you'd like you can notice what's supporting you right now, or like this, if you'd like, if you'd like Notice what's supporting you right now.

Speaker 1 1:50

Notice what's supporting you right now. No, I was actually just using my regular voice, because I try not to have a table voice Like I know I do. Is that a thing I have no idea? I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 2 1:59

Oh my God, we need to call it and we need to totally trademark. That is like table voice, because if you are any kind of body work therapist, you would know what that means.

Speaker 1 2:10

Yes, I mean, maybe you would Like I don't know, but it's like a phone voice when you answer the phone.

Speaker 2 2:16

We don't ever talk like we normally talk. See, I do.

Speaker 1 2:20

No, you don't.

Speaker 2 2:20

No, you go. This is Kat. I go hello, this is Kat. No, you don't. No, you go. This is Kat. I go hello. This is Kat. Yeah, but you're never that cheery oh.

Speaker 1 2:28

I'm always so depressed?

Speaker 2 2:30

No, it's just a little bit higher of a pitch than normal.

Speaker 1 2:33

Yeah, it's a little bit. It's got a little more energy, a little more high frequency, for sure, so, anyway, so I was using my table voice, I guess, and I was like, as you notice your feet on the ground, and then entered in the guitar solo from the heart song. I didn't want to need you, which?

Speaker 2 2:55

is what Sing it to us Gone.

Speaker 1 2:58

Gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone. I didn't want to need you. Oh no, I didn't want to want you like I do, yeah, yeah. Everybody knows that song and so, anyway, I was down here at my desk just howling, laughing.

Speaker 2 3:20

And so I started.

Speaker 1 3:21

You have a new hobby. Oh man, I have had so much fun trying to learn this crazy thing, so we'll see.

Speaker 2 3:28

You created a meditation where heart is like, like that is the meditation music.

Speaker 1 3:36

I was doing it to be funny, because that's how my brain works, like when I'm trying to like really sink in and try to really connect with myself. There's some voice over here going you know it's like you just can't really get quiet or I can't no um. And so I was like why don't I, why don't I show the world what my what's in my experience is so will you edit that into this episode?

Speaker 1 4:06

is that how that's gonna go, because I do feel like you should try yeah, I feel like I should go, and now is time for you to listen to cat's second edit and it's like, and now you may put your feet on the ground, and now you know like, maybe, so, maybe, so, oh, my gosh'm telling you like I miss her as a human and I miss her as our producer. I miss producer Sarah.

Speaker 2 4:30

Yeah, I thought you were talking about heart. I miss them too, I feel like I was like five. I feel like I'm five years too young to have gotten heart, but I do recognize the songs.

Speaker 1 4:42

You know the the? All I want to do is make love to you. Yes, it's one of their big pop hits.

Speaker 2 4:51

Oh, I didn't know how do I get you alone?

Speaker 1 4:55

oh okay, these dreams go on when I close my eyes you don't know this music?

Speaker 2 5:03

I do. I know all of their music yeah, apparently okay, you just said the first song, uh what was the title?

Speaker 1 5:11

again, the one that I was using to edit uh-huh? Um, it's called. The song is called I didn't want to need you, and it is written by no other than diane warren. Of course, oh, of course yeah, well, uh, I is.

Speaker 2 5:23

I'm gonna say something you're gonna hate, but isn't that the funniest name for someone who's an enneagram two to sing that song we'll say more, because I know this is gonna be a a slam on cat, so I'm ready for it. No, I just wrote this enneagram article, so it's on the brain yes, I read it as twos. You guys want to be wanted don't you?

Speaker 1 5:51

oh yeah, oh, I want to be wanted.

Speaker 2 5:53

So bad so it's just ironic that that was the song I didn't want to need you.

Speaker 1 5:58

Yes, I want you to need me. Damn it. Yes, it's an enneagram too. I want to be needed. Damn it. That's my theme song.

Speaker 2 6:10

Oh my, gosh, it's so funny. Um, okay, I I love that and I endorse all of your editing skills and I'm excited to see what comes of it well, I'm excited to hear what comes of it.

Speaker 1 6:22

it might be a complete train wreck and thank god sarah's gonna come home, I mean if you need any help.

Speaker 2 6:28

I'm learning as well, so we can wait, you know well, when I was in college, I was an expert audio editor and then I worked in radio and I got really good at it. Um, but I'm learning audition. What are you learning it in?

Speaker 1 6:43

I'm learning in audition as well. Yeah, and I'm learning that I. What are you learning it in? I'm learning in Audition as well.

Speaker 2 6:48

Yeah, and I'm learning that I'm a really good editor Like I can go and I can easily clip out stuff and add stuff in and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 6:53

What I'm curious about is I guess there's I know there's like nine people in the world who care about this, so this is going to be a great episode. We're an educational podcast going to be a great episode. Yeah, educate. Apparently there's a thing where you need to group the vocal tracks together so that, like, you and I are talking together and it's like I'm editing it as a group, and I don't know how to do that yet.

Speaker 2 7:14

Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean. Um, I only know how to kind of clip things out and stuff like that, and then I'm learning some of the layering, okay. So anyway, for those of you, we're sponsored by Adobe.

Speaker 1 7:29

Yeah, we're sponsored by Adobe. The creative cloud Just go to cat and moose podcast.

Speaker 2 7:34

Slash trial, slash us, slash edit, slash lovey girl.

Speaker 1 7:41

That's what is going to make Adobe become the world's leading creative software. Is that that we have endorsed them? You?

Speaker 2 7:49

know that right, agreed, absolutely, yeah, uh, I just need my yearly subscription to be comped. That's really all I'm looking for. The same.

Speaker 1 7:58

yeah, I was going through my amex the other day going like what else can I cut, cut? Like am I paying? Like like I subscribed to rocket lawyer, oh me too.

Speaker 2 8:08

Me too. I've got 12 subscriptions I haven't touched in years, right.

Speaker 1 8:13

I try to go find them.

Speaker 2 8:15

But there's always one that's like, oh, you renewed, and you hit reply and it's a no reply and then you're like, screw it, I'd rather pay $59 a year than actually call someone right.

Speaker 1 8:26

And so last week I had this experience moose, except I got a renewal subscription bill that showed up in my Amex for $675, for what it was for some website that I owned one time.

Speaker 2 8:43

Oh yeah, because you asked me about it. Yeah, I always like buy websites and then I pay for them for years and then I let them expire and so I got and they get you because they're like oh, it's going to be 20% less if you pay for the whole year, but then Right, the business is gone the next year.

Speaker 1 9:00

Right, because it's been hacked or it's just failed, you know so. So, yeah, so I actually picked up the phone, I called who made the charge. I called my amex. I replaced my card. I I was so proud of myself I made like three phone calls. Yeah, I mean you absolve myself. I do, I do and I am proactive. If you've ever seen it, poster child.

Speaker 2 9:27

You really are. Here's your prize. I think you gave me this, yeah, but I use it when I'm on meetings, so you get to borrow this. Thank you.

Speaker 1 9:40

One day. Thank you, and I will let you borrow this.

Speaker 2 9:45

Oh, look at us and our rocks.

Speaker 1 9:47

Yeah, this is my.

Speaker 2 9:48

Look what I found. You found the little kitty. Kitty. She's yelling at me, so you I had to show her to you. Okay, I need to talk about how yesterday went for me, cause it was a rough day.

Speaker 1 10:02

Okay, I'm, I'm here for it. What happened?

Dealing with Difficult Conversations

Speaker 2 10:05

Well, as you know, we were supposed to record this. A couple of days ago, I kind of started feeling nauseous halfway through the day. It was like I am not getting sick, so I down like all this wellness formula, all the things that you do. Was it morning sickness? Yeah, no, I'm not pregnant and I'm happy about that. Um, but so Monday comes and I had to deal with a difficult situation in the workplace. Nobody that works for me, but well, I'll tell you this. I've had to deal with a couple really hard situations lately and it is not lost on me that it has to be connected to some universal something truth. So I texted you the other day and was like hey, how's your week? Cause the past two weeks have just been hard. I feel like, and like not hard in. I've been busy, I can handle all of that, but hard. And I've been busy, I can handle all that, but hard and like difficult conversations.

Speaker 1 11:09

Yeah yeah, there's a difference. Like being busy is one thing and it's like, thankfully, like, even though sometimes we get frustrated with it, like we love what we do, like we love our jobs. We wouldn't keep doing them if we didn't Right doing them if we didn't right. And and at the same time, when, when you have to deal with difficult situations within a thing that you love, like that can be really taxing. So, like, how did you handle?

Speaker 2 11:35

well, okay, so I've started doing this thing where I give people out and like an out. Like, for instance, I might go oh, I'm not saying this is healthy, I'm not on the record for this, guys, okay, this is just how I operate in order to survive. Like I'll be, like, oh, they probably had some PTSD going on or something like that. I'm trying to see people as like children and not as adults, because it's a little bit better, cause you're like, oh, you're just throwing a fit right now.

Speaker 2 12:12

Right, like I'm going to let you finish your fit, you're going to be exhausted, and then you'll fall asleep, right.

Speaker 1 12:17

And then I'll have my way. Yeah, that sounded horrible.

Speaker 2 12:19

I'll get you a little snack or at least you'll just be quiet, you know. But I I think the hardest conversations for me are when it and most of the conversations that are hard involve this are when it involves someone's ego and they're. I mean, we deal with this working in the entertainment industry a lot, but you know, if we get into a place as humans where our value is based on numbers or success, whatever that means, then I think God forbid that foundation crumble Right. Right, because eventually it does. It always does right, because eventually it does, it always does. Often it comes back when it crumbles, but there are times where it could be an off week. It's not even that something isn't working, it just could be an off week and it's hard. As someone who supports artistic people sometimes to I'm not someone that really wants to explain away. Well, well, here's why this happened.

Speaker 2 13:26

I'm someone that wants to be like. I know I noticed it too. Let's keep moving. You know, like I just can't get stuck on those little tiny things, and so I think it's hard sometimes when, when you're dealing with someone who that is their expectation all the time is just growth, growth, growth, growth growth. Yeah, because it's just not going to happen like that all the time. You'll have seasons of that.

Speaker 1 13:52

Yeah, and you know we're talking about artists, we're talking about entertainment, and a lot of times it's not exclusive by any stretch, but a lot of times those people tend to hover around being an Enneagram four. And so they've got the three wing that is like perfection, perfection, performance, performance. And then they've got the five wing, that's like data, data, data, data, and it's like it's almost like kind of a train wreck from both sides, because right in the middle of it Enneagram four, it's like I just want to be myself and I can't ever be satisfied and you know.

Speaker 2 14:29

And also, like I want to be seen for who I am and why can't be? If it, if it's not going as planned, like you know, why can't people see that? And then it's human nature I'm learning, I feel like I should have learned this in my thirties, but I'm learning it in my forties and that's okay. But I also feel like it's human nature to want to blame somebody. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Like I always tell the story. When I worked um, I think you're going to know what story but when I worked at a label, one of the bosses there said I don't care who picks the single for radio, I just need to know who to shoot when it doesn't work. And although that's terrible, also that is our nature of if something doesn't work, who can I point the finger at?

Speaker 1 15:17

Cause it's certainly not you, no, like it's certainly not the person whose piece of art is not working.

Speaker 2 15:24

Right, and so I guess my whole point is you know, I have been reactive some of my life. I've working my way out of that, I think, in a lot of ways, and I just want to be a less reactive person because when it happens to you, it is just we as adults. We should not, we shouldn't have to treat each other poorly.

Speaker 1 15:48

Yeah, this is very true. I have a dear friend and client we both do who said to me several years ago he said I am working on responding instead of reacting, yeah, exactly, and and to me, like that they're, they're both like they're going to be helpful in moving energy. Right, that's all we're doing, right, we're moving energy, yeah, and so it's like if I need to react, if I need to respond, if I need to yell at somebody, if I need to be frustrated, I need to blame somebody. It's just a movement of frustration, right, and so it's like it's got to move somewhere else. So I'm going to pick, like where am I going to move it to?

Speaker 2 16:28

Yeah.

Responding vs Reacting to Challenges

Speaker 1 16:29

And I really liked the thought of, instead of immediately needing to move that energy, being able to respond to it, to go okay, I'm, I'm going to go ahead and tell you that I'm about to have a really hard time with this. I'm, I want to respond in a way that is mature and respectful, and also I'm really frustrated and I need to move that energy. You know, it's like there's a level of matureness there that I'm, I really have a lot of respect for yeah, so let's try to not be that person.

Speaker 2 17:03

I I literally text someone yesterday and said let's get drunk, and I didn't mean it.

Speaker 1 17:11

I didn't mean it but it's like which.

Speaker 2 17:14

By the way, as someone who quit drinking for a while, I was telling sarah this the other day I it's funny because even though the most I will drink is one or two drinks, and it's usually a beer or something now I mean like I don't really drink a lot at all anymore, but it is funny when I get really stressed to where my um nervous system feels shot. It's. It's interesting that my brain still says let's drink. Yeah, yeah, that's fascinating.

Speaker 1 17:43

Isn't that fascinating?

Speaker 2 17:45

It's not even my thing I do anymore, but for so long that was my go-to of like, just take the edge off, just take the edge off. And it's weird to notice that that's still what my brain says.

Speaker 1 17:58

Well, it's like the whole idea of neuroplasticity, right, it's like there are. There are neural pathways that are created in our brain, whether they're from trauma or habits or addictions or whatever it is, and it's like if you've been used to for more than 21 days doing any one thing, you there, there is a pathway in the brain you know, like a habit is formed, and so it's like if you spent two years or 10 years or eight months or whatever it is going like, okay, the way I deal is I drink, or the way I deal is I smoke or I eat or I fill in the blank, whatever it is, it's hard to unlearn that, and even you unlearn it, the pathway is still available. Yeah, it's not like the pathway gets erased, right, you know, and that's that's really.

Speaker 2 18:47

that feels to me like a little bit of a um bitch slap yeah, it's not like like I wonder if, going with that analogy, I wonder if there's a way to uh, uh from a healing standpoint with, like, a therapist or somebody to put dirt into that pathway so that it goes away eventually.

Speaker 1 19:11

Yeah, it's, it's, it's an absolute advertisement for body work. Is what's happening right now? Yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah, all the somatic stuff for sure. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's just like. Okay, like, let's start. It kind of reminds me of of the tradition in some cultures where, when someone is buried, the person closest to that person shovels the first shovel of dirt on top of the casket, like on top of the closest as in relationship.

Speaker 1 19:39

Well, yeah, like if it, if a man dies and has a wife, it's like a lot of times it's the oldest son yeah, it's a thing and so, um, to me it's, it's just like like therapy is like that act, you know, it's like you're gonna have to pile that shit on for a long time for that to bury that casket, yeah, and and at least you're working toward it, at least it's not just like a gaping hole, you know, right, I agree.

Speaker 2 20:05

Yeah, I've been doing. I've been trying to, like I said, see other people as children and also try and have those conversations with my six year old kid, um, which I did have her, oh, she's over here now. I had to move my desk for a meeting cause I was sitting on my couch and I'll get it Hang on one sec. This have I talked about? No, yeah, hi. Hi, andrea, my friend Megan said it's quite scary. I didn't mean to stitch up her lips. I'll try and put this on socials or something.

Speaker 1 20:45

I hate socials, God I hate socials yeah. Yeah, I was talking with a friend today who said that he has taken a turn from saying that I'm going to engage with social media and turned that into I am going to engage with people who care about what I do.

Speaker 2 21:03

Oh, that's good.

Speaker 1 21:04

And I thought that was really interesting. You know, it's like it's using it as like a storefront, like a marketplace, and it's like if you know you're using it to sell something, then you don't have to be as personally attached to it. You know, it's like either people are going to buy what I'm putting out or they're not. You know, so it's just such a fickle place you know it is anyway.

Speaker 2 21:26

So tell me about six-year-old, oh well basically, what I want to say about her is uh, all the, all the things I do that are reactive are because she was a six-year-old who looked around and said nobody here is being strong and I put that in quotes because they were being strong, but in her mind nobody was taking charge, so she has to take charge.

Finding Your True Self

Speaker 2 21:53

And so if I remember, like even how I feel, like yesterday I had so much tough energy inside of me and then I sneezed I know that sounds weird and I it all came out like it was bizarre, like so much energy came out, um, but anyway, uh, I was just thinking about that yesterday, about how, uh, I was asking that six-year-old what is it that you're feeling because my 46-year-old didn't know, that you're feeling because my 46 year old didn't know. I just knew it was real bad, is what I felt, yeah, and then I saw this thing online and it was somebody talking about the law of attraction, which I'm still unsure. If I believe, I do believe there is giant magnets bringing all of us together at the right times and things like that, but you think there's a magnet that's making the earth rotate and orbit around the sun and the sun orbit through the milky way.

Speaker 1 22:55

Like yeah, to say there's not some sort of magnetic presence there, I think is really um ignorant. I do too too.

Speaker 2 23:04

But then I just got into like back to like the pathways and stuff, like what I was had this season a few months back, where I would say to everybody just raise your vibration, raise your vibe raise your mind because I do feel like when I do that it is, it really does change things.

Speaker 2 23:26

And I wrote down this week life is what you make it. And it's interesting because I have such a dualistic view of the world. I really do like whether and I think we all do by nature, by living in this world, like it's either right or wrong, good or bad, you know black or white and I'm trying to look at the different shades of things instead of black and white, like, oh, this is in my life right now.

Speaker 2 23:54

It feels really heavy and hard, but this is in my life right now. To get me somewhere else and this is where. I need to be is in the present, but that's not always easy to do?

Speaker 1 24:06

No, it's really not. It's like having a sometimes wanted and sometimes unwanted travel companion. Yes, exactly yeah, and I think something you said a minute ago kind of reminded me of something we talked about a couple of weeks ago. But I feel like it's even more relevant now because this week, this Thursday, at 4.01 am, central Daylight Time, is when the vernal equinox happens.

Speaker 1 24:33

Oh, yes, I was asking you about that, sorry, yeah, yeah, it's actually the vernal, yes, it's actually the beginning of spring, and it's really interesting to me that you sneezed and you sneezed and that energy moved. It makes me think of the energy of the lungs, the air and the lungs represent breathing in and breathing out, letting come and letting go oh, that's good. Out, letting come and letting go, that's good. And the lungs, organ meridian partner if we're talking about Chinese, you know organ meridian theory the lungs partner is the large intestine, and the large intestine lets come and let's go.

Speaker 1 25:18

It takes everything that the body has taken all the nutrients out of, and the only thing that the large intestine does is it removes water from waste and then it creates shit. Well, great, it literally like receives from the stomach and the small intestine and it's like, ok, I'm going to let this last little bit of whatever this energy has come and then I'm going to let it go, I'm going to poop it out. Interesting. And so we are moving from that season? Well, that's not true. We're not moving from that season. I totally just botched my own theory.

Speaker 1 25:53

Well, here's the great thing is you're the editor, so you can say whatever you want, right, right, exactly All of that to say that metal energy moved into water, which is winter, and now we are moving from winter to spring. So it's interesting to me that, like the grandmother of spring, energy being metal is is going like let go, let go. It's like telling the six year old grandchild let go, like you can let go of that. And that's really fascinating to me that you sneezed and that energy moved and that came from your lungs.

Speaker 2 26:30

I feel better.

Speaker 1 26:32

Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 2 26:34

Yeah, I really need to be walking and drinking more water now that I'm listening about my large intestine.

Speaker 1 26:42

I'm telling you what man like. More water right now is a really, really good thing. Like we need to hydrate.

Speaker 2 26:49

I think so too. I actually looked up the other day. Is depression related to being dehydrated? Because I realize when I feel like I'm going in or maybe I should have looked up anxiety but when I feel like I'm going in or maybe I should have looked up anxiety, but when I feel like I'm going into a panic state, I run over to. If I'm up, I run over to the fridge and get a glass of ice water and I'm not kidding it like fixes my panic attacks.

Speaker 1 27:16

That is so fascinating because, like water, represents our truest, most authentic being. Whoa, yeah, so like if you're, if you're going, well, I just totally burped. That was awesome.

Speaker 2 27:30

Well, you're the editor, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 27:31

I'm the editor. I might keep it in there, yeah, um, but water really represents like the core of who we are, you know, and so it's like the fact that, like you, would be craving that in order to satiate anxiety, like that, makes so much sense to me, I love it.

Speaker 2 27:49

You know what else is weird? It's gonna get. It's gonna get deep and dark real quick guys.

Speaker 1 27:53

Okay but we're gonna come right back out.

Speaker 2 27:55

Cat, have something jolly on the other side okay, okay, I've got it ready.

Speaker 1 27:59

I know what element brings joy. He was diabetic.

Speaker 2 28:01

But the whole point is that rang true when you described what he said as he was passing. He passed over very quickly after that and maybe he was seeking his true self. That was going to be collaborated in heaven, not collaborated, what's it called?

Speaker 1 28:38

Reconciled. Yeah, I mean, I think that's a fine theory. That's really amazing and sad, because it was you losing a parent, and sad that he was feeling that lack, you know, as he was about to cross over, and also like how exciting that what comes after that is is a bunch of like frustrating movement and energy bursting out, to then release us into our truest joy. I agree, you know which is fire, and so it's. It's just really neat to wait, does that?

Speaker 2 29:15

mean he went to hell, okay.

Speaker 1 29:23

Just checking Yep, yep, the way, the way that works. And then he went into fire.

Speaker 2 29:27

He was burning, yes, he was burning in hell. I just had some ptsd from some evangelical camp, or something.

Speaker 1 29:36

Yeah, yeah, the stuff's got to cross over every now and then, like you can't talk about hinduism or daoist philosophy or christianity or any of that without there being a little bit of overlap, right so, no joke.

Speaker 2 29:50

I, like I said, I moved my desk around so it's facing those of you who can't see the video. It's facing all my books and I had to literally hide some of my buddhist books. I had a little Buddha because I was getting on a call that I was like that's not going to go over.

Speaker 1 30:05

Well, Really, oh yeah, I feel like I would have had to obnoxiously left that there.

Speaker 2 30:13

Oh well, there's other things that are there, if they want to find them.

Speaker 1 30:20

Hide and seek with moose, that's right, I should.

Speaker 2 30:23

Every week I should put something new on the bookshelf. That is dangerous.

Middle Fingers and Teslas

Speaker 1 30:28

Yes, I think you should. So this reminds me of a situation that I encountered this week with someone who I was in the car with and we were just driving up the interstate, like heading toward my house house, and all of a sudden she just went like this, oh, and I was like what, what is this? Very, and I just gestured, sticking up the middle finger but kind of in a like a diagonal upside down sort of way, and it's like a 1980s middle finger too yeah, yeah, it's like my dad, like you're not you're not putting the fingers around it all the way down, they're up to the knuckle.

Speaker 2 31:07

So it's like a real pissed off middle finger.

Speaker 1 31:09

It's a real pissed off middle finger and I was like, oh my gosh, like what did she do it to you or to someone? No, no, she like did it like to the windshield? And so I was like what are you flicking off? And she was like that Tesla, that Tesla she's not the only one I know and so she has made a pact with herself that if she is on the road and sees a Tesla, she gives the Tesla and the driver the middle finger.

Speaker 1 31:41

If she sees the Tesla truck truck what's that one called?

Speaker 2 31:44

it's like the tesla I don't know why you call it tesla, it's tesla is tesla.

Speaker 1 31:50

Okay, yes, tesla.

Speaker 2 31:52

Sorry for mispronouncing I don't know, but they're not even trucks. Well, they are cyber truck cyber truck.

Speaker 1 31:58

That's what it is. And she said so all's get this. And she said in the cyber trucks, get this oh, they get a double middle finger. Yeah, they get a double middle finger. So I realized that in my very tiny and I stress very tiny retirement fund that I am pretending that I still should sell that. Well, I realized that part of my portfolio is invested in tesla and I I emailed the person who manages my portfolio and said I want out.

Speaker 1 32:33

Yeah, I want out and granted, it's only like three thousand dollars, but like I, don't know thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 32:40

Yeah, it's like that. We don't need Elon touching I know, I know. Um, speaking of middle fingers, I just saw this video that cracked me up. It was Amy Puller and Tina Fey talking on Amy Puller's podcast, and and Amy who? I love them both, but I didn't know that this was something people said about her. She said she was giving a speech at Harvard and she's about to walk on stage and some little Harvard asshole that's graduating or something says to her you're the poor man's Tina Fey, but she's telling this to like one of her best friends, Tina, and Tina never heard the story. And she like gasps and she goes you know, they call me that Right, which I had never heard. And Tina was, like you know, appalled or whatever. And Amy Poehler said she just gave that person a quick middle finger and she goes fuck you and fuck Harvard. And then she went up and gave her speech.

Speaker 1 33:42

That is awesome. That is awesome. Can you imagine like hearing something like that right before you're about to?

Speaker 2 33:49

step on stage. Yeah, I've had that happen to me before. It's awful I remember.

Speaker 1 33:53

I remember when that happened to you and I wanted to claw that guy's eyes out.

Speaker 2 33:59

What, how mean do you have to be to try and just pop someone's bubble right before they are doing something?

Speaker 1 34:06

vulnerable Right. Yeah, that's not OK.

Speaker 2 34:09

Yeah.

Speaker 1 34:10

I was at breakfast this morning and one of the gentlemen I was at breakfast with said at one point he goes F, f, f.

Speaker 2 34:20

Wait, like said the words, Just said F, F, F. Oh no.

Speaker 1 34:23

The letter F. Wait, like said the words, just said F, f, oh no, the letter F. The letter F. Like and I was like. So I just like threw my hands on the table and I said fuck Like sometimes she just got to say it Like sometimes you got to move.

Speaker 2 34:36

That Me and a friend were talking about how uh move that me and a friend were talking about how. You know how angry I am based on the cuss word that comes out of my mouth like if it gets to the level of a gd and it's rarely happened, guys.

Strange Childhood Memories

Speaker 1 34:51

It's rarely, but usually when I hurt myself, that's what comes out of my mouth I'm not proud of that Well, I'm not proud of my usage of that phrase either, and at the same time, it was a very healing moment for me when I learned that I could say that out loud and not getting struck by lightning, without getting struck by lightning. I was in a therapy session, a bodywork session, and I remember it being like the pinnacle of that session where I said you know what I want to say, because it's just not okay with anybody in my life right now, like anybody in my work, in my life, in my family, and I was encouraged like say whatever you want, want to say, like you have space here to be yourself, and blah, blah, blah. And it was it. It was really, really healing to be able to say that out loud. And ever since then I I have kind of let go of that weird. Yeah, yeah, whatever that is, whatever you want to call that well, well, I think it.

Speaker 2 36:01

there's so much about those things we weren't allowed to do that are healing, to be like oh, screw that, I'm going to go do it. It's kind of like the pastor, kids going out and having sex in the field, or whatever they did. You know, do you ever have speaking? Okay, I had a memory the other day and I'm just going to describe it to you without any disclaimer, because this is pretty messed up If you say it out loud, I haven't said it out loud yet. Oh.

Speaker 1 36:30

I can't wait.

Speaker 2 36:31

So we had this area behind where I grew up that we called the desert and it was basically construction. It's just dirt with like huge mounds of dirt and huge concrete things and like bulldozers, and I mean my entire childhood it was uh, it was there. So I don't think they were ever building anything. It might've been where they stored things and everything, but we called um, we played there all the time. It wasn't safe. But then I have a memory and it wasn't in the desert. I have a memory of an abandoned like a house, a barn, that had been torn down. But somehow we walked up some stairs and there was a second floor and there was a mattress up there which that's concerning and then there was a mattress down and people which that's concerning and then there was a mattress down and people would jump off the rafters onto the mattress. But I can't place where this was. I don't know if it's from a movie and I've claimed it as my own memory, but it's. It creeps me out because I don't know where it's from.

Speaker 1 37:39

Did you jump onto the mattress from the rafters? I can't remember.

Speaker 2 37:44

I remember being. I can remember being downstairs and upstairs in this barn, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 37:52

It was weird. It makes me wonder, like what does the mattress represent downstairs versus the one upstairs?

Speaker 2 37:58

I don't want to know what happened on those mattresses either.

Speaker 1 38:01

I mean, I kind of do just out of pure curiosity, I don't.

Speaker 2 38:05

Why was this out? And it was like in a wooded area and I have no recollection of where it was. Who was there. I just feels like a memory and I feel like I was like 10 or 12 or something.

Speaker 1 38:22

And is that? Is that something? Now, you said you didn't know where it was 100%, 100%. This is layman's therapy.

Speaker 2 38:31

So maybe my sister will listen and be like oh, I saw that barn.

Speaker 1 38:36

She'll let you know. Yeah, she'll let you know. I'm curious to know more.

Speaker 2 38:40

Well, I don't think anything bad happened to me. Oh good, I do think it was a weird thing why would you?

Speaker 1 38:47

it's maybe it was just teenagers. You described it originally as the desert.

Speaker 2 38:53

You described it as mounds of dirt and machines like bulldozers, and then I know that I at at first I was like, oh, it must've been in the desert, like that's how my brain went. But it was in a wooded area, so it wasn't in the desert I was trying to place it and I couldn't yeah.

Speaker 1 39:09

And were the woods protecting you, or were the woods scary?

Speaker 2 39:13

Like I don't want to talk about it anymore. Okay, let's definitely not. Yeah.

Speaker 1 39:18

Well, sarah, we really miss you. Thank you for thank you for listening, and, moose, I love you dearly. Sarah, we miss you dearly. If this actually makes it out into the world, I would love some sort of applause or, you know, head shake of shame or something like that would be really nice, yeah done. Really nice, yeah Done. Special thanks to our producer, sarah Reed, to find out more, go to catandmoosepodcastcom.

Speaker 2 39:52

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